All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!(Part II)

[KOSLOX]

“Compromise is in my vocabulary very strongly."

[Gray Lensman]

Apparently the latest thing from Trump to 'whatabout' is.....wheels. We are truly in the dumbest timeline.

[Mister Mets]

Something interesting from Five Thirty Eight.

5 key constituencies of the 2020 Democratic primary

The point about how Democratic voters are often members of several constituencies at once is interesting.

[Joker Venom]

trump pathetically claims that he never said Mexico will pay for the wall. Now he's saying that he meant the USMCA will pay for the wall. If that's the case, then why is he shutting down the government?

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...162322363.html

"I know the Fake News likes to say it when during the campaign I would say Mexico is going to pay for it. Obviously I never said this...I never meant they’re going to write out a check...I said they are going to pay for it. They are, they are paying for it with the incredible deal we made called the United States Mexico and Canada – USMCA – deal."

He said he never said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, then says they ARE in the same bloody sentence! I swear, it's a good thing for him that breathing, heartbeat, and other important functions are autonomous, because if he had to rely on THAT brain to live, he'd have been dead YEARS ago!

And the USMCA isn't gonna pay for the wall, either.

[Mister Mets]

How does anyone take Faulkner serious? How do we come to the table when these guys are not honest actors?

Fox's Harris Faulkner worries that "if we call [migrants] refugees," it could "help their asylum cases"






Tucker Carlson says studies don’t exist showing undocumented immigrants commit less crime - he’s wrong
Carlson: “We do this topic a lot and we’re pretty conversant with the social science on it. I’ve never seen that study”

There really isn't a lot of evidence on this matter.

Cato's report that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a 16 percent lower rate is based on incarceration information from Texas, the only state that keeps data on the number of convictions of illegal immigrants for specific crimes.

https://www.cato.org/blog/murder-mol...nt-crime-facts

We don't know if Texas is representative of the entire country. This is also based on incarceration, so that gets a bit murkier especially since this is a community in which victims of crime would be unlikely to go to the authorities.

We also don't have an exact number of how many undocumented immigrants there are in this country, so incarceration rates are based on a guess (interestingly enough the higher the number of illegal immigrants in the country, the lower their incarceration rate as a percentage of the population.)

A 2009 report by the Center for Immigration Studies has noted that we lack the data to come to a clear understanding, and the situation hasn't changed in the last decade.

https://www.cis.org/sites/cis.org/fi...2009/crime.pdf

[GozertheGozarian]

Cato is a Koch org, total bullshit.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

While at the gym, I watched Senator Mazie Hirono (Hawaii) being interviewed by Wolf Blitzer and she came right out and called Trump for what he is regarding the shutdown that’s furloughed nearly a million federal workers....a HOSTAGE TAKER. Truer words were never spoken the whole damn week.

[thwhtGuardian]

There really isn't a lot of evidence on this matter.

Cato's report that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a 16 percent lower rate is based on incarceration information from Texas, the only state that keeps data on the number of convictions of illegal immigrants for specific crimes.

https://www.cato.org/blog/murder-mol...nt-crime-facts

We don't know if Texas is representative of the entire country. This is also based on incarceration, so that gets a bit murkier especially since this is a community in which victims of crime would be unlikely to go to the authorities.

We also don't have an exact number of how many undocumented immigrants there are in this country, so incarceration rates are based on a guess (interestingly enough the higher the number of illegal immigrants in the country, the lower their incarceration rate as a percentage of the population.)

A 2009 report by the Center for Immigration Studies has noted that we lack the data to come to a clear understanding, and the situation hasn't changed in the last decade.

https://www.cis.org/sites/cis.org/fi...2009/crime.pdf

Is there evidence that they commit more crime than legal residents?

[Tazirai]

There really isn't a lot of evidence on this matter.

Cato's report that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a 16 percent lower rate is based on incarceration information from Texas, the only state that keeps data on the number of convictions of illegal immigrants for specific crimes.

https://www.cato.org/blog/murder-mol...nt-crime-facts

We don't know if Texas is representative of the entire country. This is also based on incarceration, so that gets a bit murkier especially since this is a community in which victims of crime would be unlikely to go to the authorities.

We also don't have an exact number of how many undocumented immigrants there are in this country, so incarceration rates are based on a guess (interestingly enough the higher the number of illegal immigrants in the country, the lower their incarceration rate as a percentage of the population.)

A 2009 report by the Center for Immigration Studies has noted that we lack the data to come to a clear understanding, and the situation hasn't changed in the last decade.

https://www.cis.org/sites/cis.org/fi...2009/crime.pdf

No offense mets, but I do have a hard time believing the Cato Institute. You can blame Republicans for their constant war on facts for me being this way.

[BeastieRunner]

Trump's own numbers from INS and ICE refute both his claim and Cato's ... there's tonnes of evidence.

If I were Trump, I'd stick to the ~6K gang members deported because that data-point is true. But it also means acknowledging that the "bad" ones are coming from our ports (100% of the 5,875 gang members deported came in via our ports).

No wall needed, just better, modern border security.

It also means acknowledging that our terrorists are either homegrown, coming in via the ports, and via Canada.

So again, no wall is needed, just better border security.

[aja_christopher]

There really isn't a lot of evidence on this matter.

There's a lot of evidence in this matter, though.

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Nixon thru Obama admins:

Indicted
Democrats: 4 Republicans: 120

Convicted
Democrats: 2 Republicans: 82

Imprisoned
Democrats: 2 Republicans: 34 (so far)

Based on said evidence, maybe we should build a wall to keep Republicans out of office.

The "wall" is just a distraction from the criminality of the Republican party, regardless -- if they wanted it they would have passed it when they had control of Congress. Instead, they will attempt to use it to distract from the upcoming investigations of their lies, criminal behavior, and obstruction of justice.

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"McConnell blocks House bills to reopen government"

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...pen-government

[Mister Mets]

No offense mets, but I do have a hard time believing the Cato Institute. You can blame Republicans for their constant war on facts for me being this way.

Your post built on their study. It's the source for the graph.

[Malvolio]

There really isn't a lot of evidence on this matter.

Cato's report that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a 16 percent lower rate is based on incarceration information from Texas, the only state that keeps data on the number of convictions of illegal immigrants for specific crimes.

https://www.cato.org/blog/murder-mol...nt-crime-facts

We don't know if Texas is representative of the entire country. This is also based on incarceration, so that gets a bit murkier especially since this is a community in which victims of crime would be unlikely to go to the authorities.

We also don't have an exact number of how many undocumented immigrants there are in this country, so incarceration rates are based on a guess (interestingly enough the higher the number of illegal immigrants in the country, the lower their incarceration rate as a percentage of the population.)

A 2009 report by the Center for Immigration Studies has noted that we lack the data to come to a clear understanding, and the situation hasn't changed in the last decade.

https://www.cis.org/sites/cis.org/fi...2009/crime.pdf

Texas probably isn't representative. But are you seriously saying that it's because the numbers are LOWER for Texas?

[Tami]

The border wall will divide this Texas town, displacing or blocking homes - but where?

The neighborhood’s namesake, Maria Albesa De La Cruz, was among the first in the tiny, riverside colonia to receive a letter about the border wall.

Decades earlier, the 79-year-old De La Cruz, her husband and his six siblings had earned enough money picking crops in California’s Central Valley to buy land at the edge of the Rio Grande, where their cattle grazed and sipped from the river near the bridge to Mexico.

In September she got a letter from the U.S. government requesting access to her land so crews could survey the property and assess possible impacts of a wall. “We hope that you and other landowners in the Rio Grande Valley will assist us in our strategic efforts to secure our Nation’s borders,” the letter from U.S. Customs and Border Protection said.

“This is our land,” said Maria Guadalupe “Lupita” Rios, 60, De La Cruz’s niece. Her family created the colonia De La Cruz, as the neighborhood is known, and named streets after relatives — Sebastian Street, Federico Street, Angela Avenue. It is now home to more than 70 residents, the city says.

Some locals consider the proposed wall a vital safeguard; others dismiss it as a wasteful stunt. Most wish the government would be more forthcoming about where it will erect barriers spanning 37 miles of the Rio Grande Valley, the primary entry point for illegal immigration into the United States. The Border Patrol has yet to release precise maps. Throughout the valley, residents have grown frustrated and distrustful.

Some voted for Trump for more Border Security, for a 'Wall'....didn't they know that this wall might destroy their community? Their land? Their property? Well, they know now.

[numberthirty]

There's a lot of evidence in this matter, though.

------
Nixon thru Obama admins:

Indicted
Democrats: 4 Republicans: 120

Convicted
Democrats: 2 Republicans: 82

Imprisoned
Democrats: 2 Republicans: 34 (so far)

Based on said evidence, maybe we should build a wall to keep Republicans out of office.

The "wall" is just a distraction from the criminality of the Republican party, regardless -- if they wanted it they would have passed it when they had control of Congress. Instead, they will attempt to use it to distract from the upcoming investigations of their lies, criminal behavior, and obstruction of justice.

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"McConnell blocks House bills to reopen government"

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...pen-government

That's "Evidence" that exists within a bigger picture that clearly allows members of Congress to get away with things that no normal citizen could.

You started charging based on that?

Your numbers probably change quite a bit. Doubt that Democrats move past Republicans, but those numbers would no doubt change quite a bit.

So... "Evidence" is a little shaky when the "Evidence" only represents what you actually can charge/imprison based on.