I wouldn’t say they pushed me that far. But this thread has always had a stain of entitlement when it comes to votes. Very dogmatic about the Democratic Party and a focus less on policy substance and more on the score card. Which is funny because there was a lot of chest thumping over being a big tent party, except when people realized that a big tent party might mean son irreconcilable differences.
Either way it’s kind of futile. It dissolved into whining strawnans about purity tests. It’s like no, you support certain candidates that are antithesis of left wing progressive values. It’s not about being 90% of the way there and wanting 100% it’s about this 30% that lbs absolutely against the core of what they believe. When the main things are your primary focus, the periphery and not having an R next to your name isn’t that compelling. Especially if you vote on substance and not for a fucking team. Like I’ll be real blunt, if the next Republican Presidential candidate has a real plan for universal healthcare and a plan to crackdown on Wall Street regulations and was going to push for raising the minimum wage, I wouldn’t care if I disagreed with the rest of their platform. It’s not a purity test. It’s about a core set of values.
I'm only going to say this one more time, and if you don't want to look at it factually, tough shit. Go pester other people because I did not vote correctly in your opinion.
Trump got 56.9% of Indiana's popular vote in 2016.
Hillary got 37.9%. All other candidates (Stein, Johnson, any write-in candidate) got 5.2%.
Assuming all the "protest voters" had, in your ideal state of mind, voted for Hillary, she would have still been crushed by a margin of 56.9% to 43.1%, and since the popular vote doesn't win elections in this country (unfortunately), my vote was still thrown away because I'm not an Evangelical Protestant who only cares about guns and banning abortions in the Mississippi of the Midwest. Only four counties voted Hillary.
Numbers don't lie in this situation.
They're even telling me I should vote for Democrats who voted against the ACA.
Sorry, but I'm trying to get universal health care sometime before the end of the next century.
Baby Thanos
Unlike some people, I'm happy calling myself a liberal. Just because wing nuts spent decades turning it into something vile sounding doesn't mean the philosophy refracts their narrow world view where capitalism solves everything and the needs of the rich are utmost importance.
And because I didn't vote for one particular candidate once, i should just buy a MAGA hat, apparently. I've voted Democratic in every election since I registered except for one instance and I'm unclean.
They think this is a step in the right direction:
"In 2003, he was one of just 16 Democrats to vote for President Bush's Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act.[24]
From 2003 through 2005, $14.7 billion in crop subsidies went to the congressional districts of members on the House Committee on Agriculture, an analysis by the non-partisan Environmental Working Group found. That was 42.4% of the total subsidies. Peterson is reported to have brought $874 million to his District.[40] In Peterson's district, which includes sugar beets, wheat and poultry, 58% of the $2.8 billion paid out in crop subsidies from 1995 to 2005 went to 10% of recipients, according to the Environmental Working Group, which tracks farm spending. The chairman says he has no problem with that. "Ten percent of the farmers produce 90% of the food," he says.
In 2004, he joined with Minnesota Attorney General Mike Hatch in suing the state of North Dakota over what they argued were discriminatory laws that forbade non-North Dakota residents from hunting during the first week of the waterfowl hunting season.[41] Their case was rejected by the United States District Court for the District of North Dakota, a decision which was upheld by the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit.[42]
In January 2005, he was selected by the House Democratic Caucus to succeed former Texas Congressman Charlie Stenholm as the Ranking Member on the Committee on Agriculture. He became the committee's chairman after the Democrats won control of the House two years later.
Peterson was a cosponsor of the Agricultural Job Opportunities, Benefits, and Security Act of 2005[43][44] which would provide job protection for three million illegal immigrant agricultural workers and their families, and extend the visas of legal immigrant agricultural workers.
In December 2005, Peterson joined four Republicans to form the Second Amendments, a rock and country band.[45]
Along with John Conyers, in April 2006 Peterson brought an action against George W. Bush and others alleging violations of the Constitution in the passing of the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005.[46] The case (Conyers v. Bush) was ultimately dismissed.[47]
Peterson was one of the few Democrats to vote in favor of the Military Commissions Act of 2006.[48]
In May 2007, Peterson was the lone Democrat to vote against the Federal Price Gouging Prevention Act.[49]
On January 28, 2009, Peterson was amongst the seven Democrats who voted in the House together with the unanimous Republican opposition against President Obama's stimulus package (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009).[50][51]
In April 2009, Peterson voted against the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act.[52]
On May 6, 2009, Peterson voiced his opposition to climate change legislation proposed by the Obama Administration saying, "I will not support any kind of climate change bill – even if you fix this – because I don't trust anybody anymore. I've had it." Peterson predicted that an Environmental Protection Agency proposal to assess indirect effects of ethanol production on greenhouse gas emissions, combined with the climate change legislation, could "kill off corn ethanol."[53]
On July 27, 2009, a controversy erupted after Peterson was quoted in a Politico.com article saying, "25 percent of my people believe the Pentagon and Rumsfeld were responsible for taking the twin towers down. That's why I don't do town meetings." The state Republican Party denounced the remark as "outrageous and offensive". Peterson apologized for the comment, which he described as "off-hand".[54]
On March 21, 2010, Peterson voted against the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.[55]
In 2010, he was endorsed by the National Right to Life Committee[56] and the National Rifle Association.[57]
In 2011, he co-sponsored HR 3, the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act.[58] The bill contained an exception for "forcible rape," which opponents criticized as potentially excluding drug-facilitated rape, date rape, and other forms of rape.[59] The bill also allowed an exception for minors who are victims of incest"
Baby Thanos
I think not dodging the fact that Hillary was an early proponent of universal health care -- and was punished for it in later elections -- would be a step in the right direction.... along with supporting similar candidates in the future instead of repeatedly losing to Republicans like Bush and Trump due to division.
But you do you.
And note: I'm not telling you how to vote -- I'm just pointing out the fact that universal health care was one of Hillary's earliest priorities.
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"Always listen to the crazy scientist with a weird van or armful of blueprints and diagrams." -- Vibranium
I can sympathize with that. I am old enough to remember when Indiana was a blue state because of the population centers up where I live in NW Indiana and Indianapolis, etc. voted Democratic. Seems like the rural voters and the evangelicals are the power base now. Theoretically, our state reps up here don't even have to show up anymore because of the super majority in the house.
We had 2 Democratic governors in a row with Bayh and O'Bannon, who died in office and the lieutenant governor served out his term. That was in 1989 to 2005 since Bayh served two terms. We'll see what happens in 2020. Will people have had enough of Trump by then? Obama did win Indiana in the first term but lost to Romney in the second so there has been a shift. It remains to be seen if it will shift back again.
While I can post several people trying to find out who you had the option to vote for and/or who you wrote in, I don't think anyone has told you to vote for anyone specific. Yet another lie from the the new Troll on campus, who was defended by another with the ironic line:
Well, so far I've seen lots of bitching about arguments no one has actually made and deflections from what's actually been said as opposed to any attempt at actual discussion. By all means though: Keep complaining about everyone else while praising yourself for your ideology as it makes it easier to spot those who don't actually care about what they claim.