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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    No, but she won't destroy the ACA the way any Republican opponent would. It's Missouri, the alternative is not a progressive Democratic Senator, it's a Right Wing Trumpster. But purity, right?

    McCaskill proposes letting people buy insurance from same exchange as Congress
    She was also an important vote for the ACA, which would have provided health care coverage for an addition half million in her home state had it not been blocked by in the courts and in the states by the GOP.

    Here's an important reminder: Canada's public health care system took years and years to build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catbellysqueezer View Post
    Do you think we would get universal health care if we elect more Claire McCaskills?
    Possibly. She wasn't one of the blue dogs that voted against the Public Option on ACA. She's a Democrat who won office in a red state, though! She's probably not going to have the strongest liberal voting record because she has to represent her constituents, the people of Missouri. If she doesn't appease them, she could easily be replaced with a Republican candidate who never sides with Democrats.
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    Nobody good.

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    Oh, so it's my fault that a conservative beats a Democrat who doesn't support economic policies that the majority of Americans support like universal health care, increased minimum wage, increased taxes on the wealthy, and so on.


    You... you are complaining about the purity level of Democrats, admit that you write in "nobody good" anyway, and then wonder why you might be a part of the problem.

    I never am ceased to be amazed by the lack of self-awareness human beings can be capable of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post


    You... you are complaining about the purity level of Democrats, admit that you write in "nobody good" anyway, and then wonder why you might be a part of the problem.

    I never am ceased to be amazed by the lack of self-awareness human beings can be capable of.
    It's like Jill stein voters that don't realize they helped elect Trump. Or Nader voters who gave us GW Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catbellysqueezer View Post
    Do you think we would get universal health care if we elect more Claire McCaskills?
    Yes. If the Democrats gain a majority of the House, and 70-80% of them have the politics of Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, the Ocasio-Cortez wing can get the 20-30% that are like Claire McCaskill to vote with them.

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    No surprise here:

    Black Americans aren't buying Omarosa's turn against Trump

    For years, Omarosa Manigault Newman stood at Donald Trump's side, making her deeply unpopular with African-Americans who see her as a sellout for aligning herself with a president who has hurled one insult after another at black people.

    Her falling out with Trump and her decision to call him a racist as she sells her new book — and in turn, his calling her a "dog" — have not been enough for many African-Americans to invite her back to the family picnic.

    Too little, too late, many said.

    "Her tell-all mea culpa won't win her any brownie points with most blacks," said Earl Ofari Hutchinson, author of the book "Why Black Lives Do Matter." ''Their loathing of Omarosa is virtually frozen in stone. She's still roundly lambasted as a two-bit opportunist, a racial sellout and an ego driven hustler."
    Few in the black community immediately rushed to defend Manigault Newman after she wrote a book entitled "Unhinged" about her time in the White House. It paints a damning picture of Trump, claiming without evidence that tapes exist of him using the N-word as he filmed "The Apprentice" reality series, on which she co-starred.

    She has since stepped up her attacks on Trump as she promotes her book, telling The Associated Press on Tuesday that the president is "a racist, a misogynist, a bigot."

    "I want to see this nation united as opposed to divided," she said. "I don't want to see a race war, as Donald Trump does."

    The deep hostility that African-Americans harbor for Manigault Newman stems largely from her defense of the president or her public silence as he repeatedly attacked the American citizenship of former President Barack Obama; insulted various minority groups and described some African nations as "s--thole" countries. He has also insulted prominent blacks like U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters and NBA superstar LeBron James, said that "many sides" are to blame for the violence at last year's white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, and ripped African-American athletes for protesting racial injustice.

    As the highest-profile African-American on the White House staff, she pushed back on accusations that Trump was racist. She once told PBS' "Frontline," ''Every critic, every detractor will have to bow down under President Trump."
    After associating herself with Trump for more than a decade, she now says he "used" her, calling him a "con" who "has been masquerading as someone who is actually open to engaging with diverse communities" and is "truly a racist."

    Trump ratcheted up his rhetoric against Manigault Newman on Tuesday. "When you give a crazed, crying lowlife a break, and give her a job at the White House, I guess it just didn't work out," Trump said. "Good work by General Kelly for quickly firing that dog!" John Kelly is the White House chief of staff.

    Many condemned the president and his repeated attempts to compare minorities with animals, but there was little defense of Manigault Newman — unlike when Trump attacked NBA superstar LeBron James in recent weeks.

    "We should not mistake anything that has happened here as to be Omarosa in any way purporting be a benefit to the African-American community," said Aisha Moodie-Mills, a Democratic strategist.
    Raynard Jackson, a black Republican who has worked on GOP presidential, gubernatorial and local campaigns, said Manigault Newman secretly recording Trump and other White House officials will make her a pariah in conservative circles as well.

    "There is absolutely no way she can redeem herself. Who is going to trust her ever again?" Jackson said. "Recording someone under these circumstances is the political equivalent of spitting on a man."

    Conservative commentator Armstrong Williams said he's known Manigault Newman since she was 19 and will always consider her a friend. But "Omarosa can't be trusted," he said. "There's an issue when you can't be trusted and can't be loyal."
    I'm of the opinion that Omarosa is right now THE most hated woman in the country, even moreso than Hillary Clinton or Baghdad Betty. Blacks and Democrats hate her because she associated herself with Trump while Republicans and conservatives loath her because she betrayed Trump with that recording. Omarosa is pretty much on an island after a spectacularly failed turn from heel to hero, and she has only herself to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    It's like Jill stein voters that don't realize they helped elect Trump. Or Nader voters who gave us GW Bush.
    Or worse, they knew and didn't care. To them, it was all about the purity tests and taking their votes home if candidates didn't appeal to their snowflake sensibilities.
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    Documents Reveal Successful Cyberattack in California Congressional Race

    WASHINGTON — FBI agents in California and Washington, D.C., have investigated a series of cyberattacks over the past year that targeted a Democratic opponent of Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA). Rohrabacher is a 15-term incumbent who is widely seen as the most pro-Russia and pro-Putin member of Congress and is a staunch supporter of President Trump.

    The hacking attempts and the FBI’s involvement are described in dozens of emails and forensic records obtained by Rolling Stone.

    The target of these attacks, Dr. Hans Keirstead, a stem-cell scientist and the CEO of a biomedical research company, finished third in California’s nonpartisan “top-two” primary on June 5th, falling 125 votes short of advancing to the general election in one of the narrowest margins of any congressional primary this year. He has since endorsed Harley Rouda, the Democrat who finished in second place and will face Rohrabacher in the November election.
    Cybersecurity experts say that it’s nearly impossible to identify who was behind the hacks without the help of law enforcement or high-priced private cybersecurity firms that collect their own threat data. These experts speculate that the hackers could have been one of many actors: a nation-state (such as Russia), organized crime, so-called e-crime or a hacktivist with a specific agenda. The FBI did not respond to requests for comment on its involvement or any findings.

    Kyle Quinn-Quesada, who was Keirstead’s campaign manager, tells Rolling Stone that the campaign is now going public about the attacks for the sake of voter awareness. “It is clear from speaking with campaign professionals around the country that the sustained attacks the Keirstead for Congress campaign faced were not unique but have become the new normal for political campaigns in 2018,” Quinn-Quesada says. He added that the Keirstead campaign did not believe the cyberattacks had an effect on the primary election results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Or worse, they knew and didn't care. To them, it was all about the purity tests and taking their votes home if candidates didn't appeal to their snowflake sensibilities.
    No maybe they just voted for who they thought represented their interests better.

    I do find it funny that the people that claim they are more interested in beating the Republicans or are the people most effected are the ones demanding everyone else come to their candidates rather than the other way around

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    Oklahoma School Shuts Down for 2 Days After Parents Threaten Transgender 7th Grader on Facebook

    A school district in southern Oklahoma was forced to shut down for two days after parents used a Facebook group to threaten violence against a transgender seventh-grade student.

    Superintendent Rick Beene closed Achille Public Schools on Monday and Tuesday after parents posted claims on a Facebook group “Achille ISD Parents Group” that the student, who identifies as a girl, was looking over the stalls in the girls’ bathroom.

    “Heads up parents of 5th through 7th grade,” parent Jamie Crenshaw said in a now-deleted post. “The transgender is already using the girls bathroom. We have been told how the school has gone above and beyond to make sure he has his own restroom yet he is still using the girls. REALLY… Looks like its going to be a long year.”
    Beene would not confirm whether the alleged bathroom incident occurred.

    The post set off reactions from other adults who referred to the 7th grade student as “this thing” and “half baked maggot.” One parent repeatedly referred to the student as “he” and suggested a “good sharp knife” stop the student. Another parent said that their child should “whip his ass until he quits coming to school.”

    Beene tells TIME he made the decision to close both the elementary schools, which houses kindergarten through eighth grade, and the high school on the advice of local law enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Or worse, they knew and didn't care. To them, it was all about the purity tests and taking their votes home if candidates didn't appeal to their snowflake sensibilities.
    No maybe they just voted for who they thought represented their interests better.

    I do find it funny that the people that claim they are more interested in beating the Republicans or are the people most effected are the ones demanding everyone else come to their candidates rather than the other way around

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    So nothing really new in closing arguments so far during the Manafort Trial.

    It's a lot to write but it's basically a summary of the last 11 days.

    The big takeaways are Team Mueller outlined the conspiracy charges in depth, with evidence.

    The defense stated that Manafort did these things but there was no criminal intent.

    Defense got admonished for suggesting this was an auditable offense. It will be noted in jury instructions that the statement was false and to disregard.

    Defense got admonished for suggesting that the government was looking for crimes. It will be noted in jury instructions that the statement was false and to disregard.

    Defense got admonished for suggesting that FSB made money on the loans. Judge said that was not true. It will be noted in jury instructions that the statement was false and to disregard.

    Team Mueller got admonished for failing to object to these items during the rebuttal phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    No maybe they just voted for who they thought represented their interests better.

    I do find it funny that the people that claim they are more interested in beating the Republicans or are the people most effected are the ones demanding everyone else come to their candidates rather than the other way around
    I don't see anyone here "demanding" anything -- what I see is concerned American citizens asking that others think about how their vote will affect the political process as a whole. Until we have a better electoral system (ranked, ungerrymandered, whatever) then it makes sense to consider how each and every individual vote can be the most effective in targeting a common enemy.

    It's completely reasonable to point out that one sort of candidate who does well in places like Vermont or New York might not do as well in places like Kentucky or Alabama -- that isn't "demanding" anything except that you consider the fact that outsider candidates like Nader and Stein can negatively effect the Democratic party as a whole, especially during presidential elections, which ultimately can lead to candidates like Bush and Trump taking office.

    It's likewise completely understandable to debate politics -- what's not understandable (to me at least) is acting as if the Democratic party is some relic of the past when the reality is that people like Sanders and Stein (and their supporters) draw heavily from the Democratic "base" that said party has spent centuries building, while simultaneously complaining that they aren't being treated fairly by a party they refuse to join to begin with.

    To be blunt, if the Democrats had never allowed Sanders to run on their platform, we probably wouldn't even be where we are today with Trump in office -- Sanders isn't a "Democrat" and as such he should never have been allowed to run for the Democratic nomination.

    Third party voters have already helped to put both Bush and Trump in office, so if you're going to talk about repeating the same mistakes over and over again with regards to Democratic party, keep in mind that it's exactly this kind of infighting that keeps handing Republicans their narrow victories in major elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    I don't see anyone here "demanding" anything -- what I see is concerned American citizens asking that others consider how their vote will affect the political process as a whole. Until we have a better electoral system (ranked, ungerrymandered, whatever) then it makes sense to consider how each and every vote can be the most effective.

    It's completely reasonable to point out that one sort of candidate who does well in places like Vermont or New York might not do as well in places like Kentucky or Alabama -- that isn't "demanding" anything except that you consider the fact that outsider candidates like Nader and Stein can negatively effect the Democratic party as a whole, especially during presidential elections, which ultimately can lead to candidates like Bush and Trump taking office.

    It's completely understandable to debate politics -- what's not understandable (to me at least) is acting as if the Democratic party is some relic of the past when the reality is that people like Sanders and Stein draw heavily from the "base" that said party has spent centuries building, while simultaneously complaining that they aren't being treated fairly by a party they refuse to join to begin with.

    To be blunt, if the democrats had never allowed Sanders to run on their platform, we probably wouldn't even be where we are today with Trump in office -- Sanders isn't a "Democrat" and as such he should never have been allowed to run for the Democratic nomination.

    Third party voters have already helped to put both Bush and Gore in office, so if you're going to talk about repeating the same mistakes over and over again with regards to Democratic party, keep in mind that it's exactly this kind of infighting that keeps handing Republicans their narrow victories in major elections.
    Democrats cater to Sanders because they want left wing voters to think they are s left wing party. Then get upset when those left wing voters they pay lip service too want a left wing and not a center right candidate. Those votes aren’t owned by the Democrats. Gore and Clinton ran on center right platforms and got rejected by left wing voters who were only going to vote for a left wing candidate. Republicans ran a closer to center candidate in Romney and lost the same way

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Democrats cater to Sanders because they want left wing voters to think they are s left wing party. Then get upset when those left wing voters they pay lip service too want a left wing and not a center right candidate. Those votes aren’t owned by the Democrats. Gore and Clinton ran on center right platforms and got rejected by left wing voters who were only going to vote for a left wing candidate. Republicans ran a closer to center candidate in Romney and lost the same way
    You're more than welcome to your opinion on "Democrat" losses -- biased and uninformed as they may be: the Democrats were "winning" long before candidates like Sanders came along and there's nothing to indicate the same won't happen in the upcoming midterms, just as they did back when (a very moderate) Obama took office and passed plenty of "progressive" legislation during his presidency.

    If "progressives" want to come along for the ride and/or contribute to the process without being destructive to the mutual goals of both moderates and progressives, then I don't see where anyone is arguing that they shouldn't do so.

    Nobody said the Democrats are "owed" any votes -- just that you need to consider how your vote plays into the voting process as a whole.
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