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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    In the interests of letting everyone keep their breakfasts down, I'm not going to link, but...

    The Guardian got excerpts of Stormy Daniels' forthcoming book, and she described the shape and size of Donald Trump's...

    Yeah. That's not something I'm going to get into, but I'll just say it is not a flattering description.
    Haha! “Mario Kart” is trending on Twitter right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    In the interests of letting everyone keep their breakfasts down, I'm not going to link, but...

    The Guardian got excerpts of Stormy Daniels' forthcoming book, and she described the shape and size of Donald Trump's...

    Yeah. That's not something I'm going to get into, but I'll just say it is not a flattering description.
    “He doesn’t even want to be president.”

    “We’ll figure out a way to get you the challenges beforehand,” she quotes him as saying. “And we can devise your technique.”

    Whenever she saw Trump on television for years afterwards, Daniels writes, an internal monologue would play out: “‘I had sex with that’, I’d say to myself. Eech.”

    “It may have been the least impressive sex I’d ever had, but clearly, he didn’t share that opinion.”

    ----

    Also, I will never play Mario Kart again without thinking of 45's penis. Thanks a lot, Stormy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    I guess it's realistic to find 65 women defending Kavanaugh in that short time if you consider that the GOP tends to have binders full of women.
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    "Do you remember “economic anxiety”? The catch-all phrase relied on by politicians and pundits to try and explain the seemingly inexplicable: the election of Donald J. Trump in November 2016? A term deployed by left and right alike to try and account for the fact that white, working-class Americans voted for a Republican billionaire by an astonishing 2-to-1 margin?

    The thesis is as follows: Working-class voters, especially in key “Rust Belt” swing states, rose up in opposition to the party in the White House to punish them for the outsourcing of their jobs and stagnation of their wages. These “left behind” voters threw their weight behind a populist “blue-collar billionaire” who railed against free trade and globalization.

    Everyone from Fox News host Jesse Waters to socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders has pushed this whole “economic anxiety” schtick. But it’s a complete and utter myth. As I pointed out in April 2017, referencing both pre-election surveys and exit poll data, the election of Trump had much less to do with economic anxiety or distress and much more to do with cultural anxiety and racial resentment. Anyone who bothers to examine the empirical evidence, or for that matter listens to Trump slamming black athletes as “sons of bitches” or Elizabeth Warren as “Pocahontas” in front of cheering crowds, is well-aware of the source of his appeal.

    The problem, however, with trying to repeatedly rebut all this talk of “economic anxiety” is that it’s a zombie argument. As Paul Krugman has observed, these are arguments “that have been proved wrong, should be dead, but keep shambling along because they serve a political purpose.” Or as the science writer Ben Goldacre has put it, arguments that “survive to be raised again, for eternity, no matter how many times they are shot down.”

    To be clear: “Economic anxiety” has been shot down repeatedly by the experts over the past 18 months. Four damning studies, in particular, stand out from the rest. The first appeared in May 2017, a month after I wrote my original piece, when The Atlantic magazine and Public Religion Research Institute, or PRRI, published the results of a joint analysis of post-election survey data. Did poor, white, working-class voters back Trump in their droves? Was it the economy, stupid?

    Nope. The PRRI analysis of more than 3,000 voters, summarized The Atlantic’s Emma Green, “suggests financially troubled voters in the white working class were more likely to prefer Clinton over Trump.” Got that? Hillary Clinton over Trump. Meanwhile, partisan affiliation aside, “it was cultural anxiety — feeling like a stranger in America, supporting the deportation of immigrants, and hesitating about educational investment — that best predicted support for Trump.”

    In fact, according to the survey data, white, working-class voters who expressed fears of “cultural displacement” were three-and-a-half times more likely to vote for Trump than those who didn’t share these fears.

    Second, in January 2018, a study by three Amherst political scientists — Brian F. Schaffner, Matthew MacWilliams, and Tatishe Nteta — asked: “What caused whites without college degrees to provide substantially more support to Donald Trump than whites with college degrees?” Here’s their answer, based on survey data from 5,500 American adults:

    We find that racism and sexism attitudes were strongly associated with vote choice in 2016, even after accounting for partisanship, ideology, and other standard factors. These factors were more important in 2016 than in 2012, suggesting that the explicitly racial and gendered rhetoric of the 2016 campaign served to activate these attitudes in the minds of many voters. Indeed, attitudes toward racism and sexism account for about two-thirds of the education gap in vote choices in 2016.

    Racism and sexism. Who’d have guessed?

    Third, in April 2018, Stanford University political scientist Diana Mutz published a study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that observed how “living in an area with a high median income positively predicted Republican vote choice to a greater extent in 2016,” which is “precisely the opposite of what one would expect based on the left behind thesis.”

    Mutz found no evidence that a decline in income, or a worsening “personal financial situation,” drove working-class voters into the welcoming arms of a billionaire property mogul. Nor did a decline in manufacturing or employment in the area where Trump voters lived..."


    https://theintercept.com/2018/09/18/...e-class-trump/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Stormy has made life 'interesting' for Trump, but I can't see why any woman would willingly get involved with him.
    Same as with any man in a position like the one Trump had at the time: Power and money, Money and power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    In the interests of letting everyone keep their breakfasts down, I'm not going to link, but...

    The Guardian got excerpts of Stormy Daniels' forthcoming book, and she described the shape and size of Donald Trump's...

    Yeah. That's not something I'm going to get into, but I'll just say it is not a flattering description.
    I'm going to add "Mario Kart" to things Donald Trump has ruined for me.

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    (refuses to talk about Trump's Junk)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Do you have any source indicating that the claims from the letter writers about the timing are incorrect?
    I don't have a source indicating that the sun will 100% rise tomorrow morning, but when you consider that only 2 out of 65 women are willing to stand by this letter and the speed of it's appearance there's a distinct smell of rotten fish to be found.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    I didn't say they held onto it maliciously. It was self-serving but the decisions didn't come from a bad place.

    From my understanding, Feinstein wanted to preserve the anonymity of a woman who did not want to go public with an accusation. Feinstein was also uncomfortable with making an issue of something that occurred while the nominee was a minor. Someone on her staff disagreed with her decision to keep this private, and started talking about it. For them, this reflected problems of privilege, as well as an opportunity to make sure someone who would damage the country (from the perspective of a Democratic staffer) won't get a high honor. As other Democrat Senators and their staffers became apprised of the situation, they disagreed with Feinstein's decision, especially as things got closer and closer to the vote. Someone leaked it to the press, which encouraged Ms. Ford to go public with her allegation, which was what Feinstein was waiting for in the first place.

    As far as I can tell, no one made the intentional decision to sit on this information until the most damaging moment to release it. It just has the same effect.
    If they didn't hold onto it as a deliberate tactic (Unlike the GOP bragging about their surprise for weeks) then there's nothing to 'reward' as you said. The fact that you believe keeping a sexual predator who's perjured himself before Congress and wants to let the president off scott-free off the SCOTUS is 'rewarding' the Democrats alone is a very disturbing thought, and as I said earlier it's very telling about how you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    In the interests of letting everyone keep their breakfasts down, I'm not going to link, but...

    The Guardian got excerpts of Stormy Daniels' forthcoming book, and she described the shape and size of Donald Trump's...

    Yeah. That's not something I'm going to get into, but I'll just say it is not a flattering description.
    I'm gonna trust your assessment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Stormy has made life 'interesting' for Trump, but I can't see why any woman would willingly get involved with him.
    Oh, I can think of one particular reason:

    MONEY!!!

    As for the Mario Cart reference, daaaaaaaaaaamn!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    I'm having a good laugh at Democrats being 'more vicious' for voting against a guy involved in the Saturday Night Massacre and a guy credibly accused of sexual harassment. Bork should never have been nominated and Thomas should never have been seated.
    These are fair points and that might be why Republicans voted for Ginsburg and Breyer in such large numbers. It doesn't explain why half the Democrats (including Obama) voted against Roberts, and why all but four voted against Alito.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinroc View Post
    You still referred to it as Democrats being "rewarded."
    I think it sets a bad precedent for one side to benefit from mistakes that have the equivalent result of acting in bad faith.

    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    This speaks to how the GOP view every political battle as a "win" they need to get.

    When maybe they should look at the fact that they're trying to "win" with a team that consists of several players who are pedophiles, serial sexual predators, attempted rapists, sexual harassers, and white collar criminals.

    That team would be the first people to get shivved in a prison yard.
    Perhaps I'm expecting Democrats to live down to my expectations but I was under the impression they want to prevent the nomination of a Justice who is expected to make the Supreme Court more conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by JCAll View Post
    I'm not sure there's a reward they're looking for, there doesn't seem to be a pot of gold at the end of this rainbow.

    The way I look at it, this is the Dems finally deciding to go low to counter the GOP going low. The GOP wanted to bury something inconvenient, instead of letting it out right away the Dems held on to it to throw it in their face when it was most politically useful. There only seems to be one goal, and that's to stall until the midterm, and causing a public outrage days before the vote might get them that. A dick move, sure, but I've definitely heard some Democrats say that's what they want to see. Counter bad behavior by being the bigger bastard, or something like that.
    I'll note that you're much more cynical on the motives of Democrats than I am, but this does get to an important point: the morality of actions is based on information we don't have access to yet. If you believe, as some people here do, that Kavanaugh has problems involving women that have been known for some time to top Republicans, it's less shady to wait until days before the vote to go public with the allegation, and the decision of Republicans to not shove him out immediately is shameful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    I think it sets a bad precedent for one side to benefit from mistakes that have the equivalent result of acting in bad faith.
    A Republican is actually saying this.

    Perhaps I'm expecting Democrats to live down to my expectations but I was under the impression they want to prevent the nomination of a Justice who is expected to make the Supreme Court more conservative.
    A Republican is actually saying this after what happened to Merrick Garland. After nominating and electing Donald Trump. After nominating and endorsing a Pedophile for the Senate. After endorsing a credibly accused attempted rapist for the Supreme Court.

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    You guys care a weird amount about Mets' opinion on stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieHavoc View Post
    You guys care a weird amount about Mets' opinion on stuff.
    He is the only Republican who even tries to defend what his Party is doing. The rest have hid in shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieHavoc View Post
    You guys care a weird amount about Mets' opinion on stuff.
    He's the guy who says he's trying to reform the GOP from the inside, so for some of us this is the only exposure to a republican 'of conscience' we'll ever get. I'm too surrounded by unrepentant MAGA nuts to get close to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    He is the only Republican who even tries to defend what his Party is doing. The rest have hid in shame.
    Even the batfans have retreated to the cave!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinroc View Post
    A Republican is actually saying this.



    A Republican is actually saying this after what happened to Merrick Garland. After nominating and electing Donald Trump. After nominating and endorsing a Pedophile for the Senate. After endorsing a credibly accused attempted rapist for the Supreme Court.
    Obama didn't have the votes in the Senate to flip the Suprene Court in a presidential election year. That had nothing to do with Garland's character.

    I also hope you don't mean to suggest that Democrats are treating an allegation of sexual assault differently because they're upset about Garland.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    (refuses to talk about Trump's Junk)



    I don't have a source indicating that the sun will 100% rise tomorrow morning, but when you consider that only 2 out of 65 women are willing to stand by this letter and the speed of it's appearance there's a distinct smell of rotten fish to be found.




    If they didn't hold onto it as a deliberate tactic (Unlike the GOP bragging about their surprise for weeks) then there's nothing to 'reward' as you said. The fact that you believe keeping a sexual predator who's perjured himself before Congress and wants to let the president off scott-free off the SCOTUS is 'rewarding' the Democrats alone is a very disturbing thought, and as I said earlier it's very telling about how you think.
    A very important point is that I don't know that Kavanaugh is a sexual predator (presumably neither does anyone else here), and the claim that he perjured himself is suspect.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.e90019de1f78
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