All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!(Part II)

[wjowski]

Just heard John Cena's refusing to work Crown Jewel.

Imagine a single man having more integrity than decades of US leadership.

[worstblogever]

Just heard John Cena's refusing to work Crown Jewel.

Imagine a single man having more integrity than decades of US leadership.

I guess MBS "can't see" him.

[numberthirty]

Since "Making An Asylum Claim Is Not Illegal..." has come up...

Caught the nationwide CBS news this evening. They pointed out that most of the folks they had interviewed were coming based on poverty which is not something that you can make an asylum claim based on.

[zinderel]

Since "Making An Asylum Claim Is Not Illegal..." has come up...

Caught the nationwide CBS news this evening. They pointed out that most of the folks they had interviewed were coming based on poverty which is not something that you can make an asylum claim based on.

You are correct. We should divert those lazy foreigners into the ocean where they won't be a drain on anyone's economy, rather than treat them like human beings with hopes and dreams. I mean, why should rich people have to stop getting tax cuts, why should we cut funding for worthless wars, why should we try to help desperate people get a leg up after we destabilized their country for our profit?

[JCAll]

Since "Making An Asylum Claim Is Not Illegal..." has come up...

Caught the nationwide CBS news this evening. They pointed out that most of the folks they had interviewed were coming based on poverty which is not something that you can make an asylum claim based on.

They probably don't know that, and it's still not illegal to make an asylum claim anyway even if it's basically guaranteed to be dismissed.

[numberthirty]

You are correct. We should divert those lazy foreigners into the ocean where they won't be a drain on anyone's economy, rather than treat them like human beings with hopes and dreams. I mean, why should rich people have to stop getting tax cuts, why should we cut funding for worthless wars, why should we try to help desperate people get a leg up after we destabilized their country for our profit?

Politely, the line in blue is a discussion separate from if folks on the way to the border have a potentially legitimate asylum claim.

Never mind stuff like the validity of the current military budget or tax cuts that benefit the wealthy.

They probably don't know that, and it's still not illegal to make an asylum claim anyway even if it's basically guaranteed to be dismissed.

To me, that is one of the issues.

If folks are going to travel with kids all that way through who knows what, it seems like giving them the entire picture before they decide to do so would make sense.

We've seem previous immigrants on the news say that if they knew the reality of current US policy they would not have made the trip.

[zinderel]

Politely, the line in blue is a discussion separate from if folks on the way to the border have a potentially legitimate asylum claim.

Never mind stuff like the validity of the current military budget or tax cuts that benefit the wealthy.

Oh, no. I totally get it. Most of them aren't 'legitimate' asylum seekers. As such, we shouldn't have to worry about them at all, and thus, divert them into the ocean to save everyone the stress of thinking of brown people as people. Fellow human beings who our foreign policies have put into an untenable position thanks to the greed of our politicians and megacorps.

Why should those politicians give up their tax breaks to help people they harmed through their action or inaction?
Why should CEOs and investors give up a tax break or two just because it was their quest - or that of their fellow wealthy capitalists - for maximum profit that assisted in creating this problem?
Why should we divert federal funds - funds that we could be spending on continually waging constant war for corporate profit - to help desperate people who still stupidly see America as a land of opportunity?

Why should we BE a land of opportunity anymore, since the only people who really matter have all the money now?

[Mister Mets]

Oh, no. I totally get it. Most of them aren't 'legitimate' asylum seekers. As such, we shouldn't have to worry about them at all, and thus, divert them into the ocean to save everyone the stress of thinking of brown people as people. Fellow human beings who our foreign policies have put into an untenable position thanks to the greed of our politicians and megacorps.

Why should those politicians give up their tax breaks to help people they harmed through their action or inaction?
Why should CEOs and investors give up a tax break or two just because it was their quest - or that of their fellow wealthy capitalists - for maximum profit that assisted in creating this problem?
Why should we divert federal funds - funds that we could be spending on continually waging constant war for corporate profit - to help desperate people who still stupidly see America as a land of opportunity?

Why should we BE a land of opportunity anymore, since the only people who really matter have all the money now?

Why should we have an immigration policy at all, and not just make this the new way to get into this country?

[numberthirty]

Oh, no. I totally get it. Most of them aren't 'legitimate' asylum seekers. As such, we shouldn't have to worry about them at all, and thus, divert them into the ocean to save everyone the stress of thinking of brown people as people. Fellow human beings who our foreign policies have put into an untenable position thanks to the greed of our politicians and megacorps.

Why should those politicians give up their tax breaks to help people they harmed through their action or inaction?
Why should CEOs and investors give up a tax break or two just because it was their quest - or that of their fellow wealthy capitalists - for maximum profit that assisted in creating this problem?
Why should we divert federal funds - funds that we could be spending on continually waging constant war for corporate profit - to help desperate people who still stupidly see America as a land of opportunity?

Why should we BE a land of opportunity anymore, since the only people who really matter have all the money now?

Off the topic of "Immigration Legal Or Not"...

You might be kidding yourself if you actually believe the US is the "Land Of Opportunity" in anything except "Name Only". Reality in the United States doesn't really reflect that being the actual reality.

... and that's if you are an actual American citizen. Never mind the reality for immigrants.

[zinderel]

Why should we have an immigration policy at all, and not just make this the new way to get into this country?

Why shouldn't we take responsibility for our part in their desperation and change immigration policy to be less restrictive, and instead make it as welcoming as it should be?

Ethically, we need to do right by these people. So what holds us back? Is it the scst? That is why we should raise taxes on the wealthy and cut funding for our eternal war. If it isn't cost, is it fear of criminality? Then why don't we treat ALL immogrants as criminals firat and people later? Why is it only brown immigrants we treat as criminals?

[numberthirty]

Why shouldn't we take responsibility for our part in their desperation and change immigration policy to be less restrictive, and instead make it as welcoming as it should be?

Ethically, we need to do right by these people. So what holds us back? Is it the scst? That is why we should raise taxes on the wealthy and cut funding for our eternal war. If it isn't cost, is it fear of criminality? Then why don't we treat ALL immogrants as criminals firat and people later? Why is it only brown immigrants we treat as criminals?

If we are actually taking responsibility, why don't we just use our military to hand these folks safe countries rather than forcing them out of their home countries and giving them a passable immigration chance in the US?

[zinderel]

Off the topic of "Immigration Legal Or Not"...

You might be kidding yourself if you actually believe the US is the "Land Of Opportunity" in anything except "Name Only". Reality in the United States doesn't really reflect that being the actual reality.

... and that's if you are an actual American citizen. Never mind the reality for immigrants.

Oh, believe me...I am aware we are no longer even REMOTELY a 'land of opportunity' for anyone but those who were born the right gender, sexuality, race and economic class. But we SHOULD be. If we really gave a crap about this country we call home, we would demand these changes, but...Survivor is on, and it's too hard to get excited about voting and caring about people makes you an SJW cuck, so...

[zinderel]

If we are actually taking responsibility, why don't we just use our military to hand these folks safe countries rather than forcing them out of their home countries and giving them a passable immigration chance in the US?

Because making a problem worse through MORE military intervention is not the answer. There is one - ONE - time in our history where American military intervention made a positive difference, and that was WW2, which we entered despite the best efforts of Nazi sympathizers like Prescott Bush and Henry Ford and their profiteering ilk. In no other instance since then has American military intervention actually benefitted ANYONE not invested in the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about, post WW2.

We already spilled the milk all over the floor. There's no putting it back in the bottle. We have to figure out how to deal with the current situation, not pretend circumstances are different than they are. Our intervention in other countries elections, our abuse of international trade laws, our lack of concern for anyone else's well being in the face of making a profit, has led to the MANY shitty circumstances America finds itself facing. Moving forward the way we have been clearly isn't solving anything. Maybe trying some humanity will work where greed and powerlust have failed us.

If it hurts our economy...well...tough. Our economy has benefitted too long from other people's suffering, so it's only right that, in seeking to rectify things, those who most benefitted from that suffering should have sacrifice and suffer a bit. It might teach them a little humility and humanity. Probably not, but it's worth a try. It sure can't hurt our stance globally, nor can it hurt our collective souls to acknowledge our failings and work to find humanitarian, ethical solutions to the problems we created.

[numberthirty]

One guy's take...

A new status quo that amounts to leaving some countries barely functional while creating a "Your Citizens Will Be Slightly Less Out Of Luck..." in a foreign country won't lead to anything good.

[numberthirty]

In not quite as high profile news, I did see that a judge refused to consider reducing Bill Cosby's sentence or allowing for the possibility of a new trial.