All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!(Part II)

[aja_christopher]

This only makes sense if you are going to actually turn a blind eye to reality.

If you are framing it as "Sanders Would Have To Have Worked A Miracle..." in an election where most of the folks who voted for HRC on this forum have repeatedly pointed out how close it was, you are on some nonsense.

I didn't "frame" it as anything except that I personally would have voted for Hillary OR Sanders over Trump to ensure he didn't take the White House.

Which is a lot more than I can say for some people on this forum.

Whether or not he would have won is irrelevant at this point, save for the fact that certain people seem to want to repeat the same mistakes this election.

[numberthirty]

I didn't "frame" it as anything except that I personally would have voted for Hillary OR Sanders over Trump to ensure he didn't take the White House.

Which is a lot more than I can say for some people on this forum.

Whether or not he would have won is irrelevant at this point, save for the fact that certain people seem to want to repeat the same mistakes this election.

people didn't support Sanders in the primary so it doesn't make sense to act as if he can somehow work a miracle in the general election

That was in your post.

It appears that it was relevant enough that it wound up there.

[numberthirty]

While it's not progress on the legal or fixing the infrastructure front, this could wind up being an interesting development...

https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/201...on-system.html

Jaden Smith says plan to help Flint includes pilot water filtration system

It's nice to see someone actually doing something to help Flint.

Hopefully, how that filtration system works will wind up making it into the news somewhere.

[Tazirai]

Which doesn't at all discount the fact that you were incorrect about Huffpo, nor that Huffpo wasn't the only "left-wing" media outlet attacking the "centrist" Clinton while supporting the "progressive" Sanders -- Salon was even more aggressive in supporting Sanders and the mainstream media focused more on Hillary's scandals than anything else during the election: if anything, Sanders benefited from all of that, including the support of both Trump and the Russians against said candidate.

That said, if you're going to posit a false accusation, don't try to slander your "opponents" as "disingenuous" just to avoid admitting that you were wrong.

NO I posted alternate articles. Aja. Moving the Goal posts.. Lol. Here, ALL from HuffPo...

Huff Po 2016 - Bernie Sanders Still Has A ‘Bernie Who?’ Problem
Iowa and New Hampshire like him, but many voters elsewhere don’t know him.

Huff Po 2017- Bernie Sanders Is a Faux Socialist and a ‘Sheepdog’

Bernie Sanders Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Democratic Party Hostage

You wanted some negative articles from Huff Po during the campaign? Here ya go. You posted 3, I gave you three. Not hard to find.

Here's a couple more.

No, Bernie Sanders Would Not Have Beaten Trump
Bernie Sanders’ platform just isn’t as popular as it’s made out to be.

another

Why Hillary Lost: The Great American Lie

another

Fanning The Sanders Would Have Beaten Trump Fantasy

one more

Dear Bernie-or-Busters: Congratulations, You Won!

So where was I wrong again?

Every single link is from the Huffington Post. EVERY.SINGLE.ONE. But yeah, they were so fair. To be honest, HuffPo had more fair articles after the election, a few before, But like most media they ignored him, or a few of them wrote about him.

[numberthirty]

While it is probably not a lock, it is good to see Rahm take a run at this on his way out the door...

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/ra...-compensation/

Rahm Emanuel makes last stab at ethics reform in wake of Ald. Ed Burke’s arrest

[aja_christopher]

That was in your post.

It appears that it was relevant enough that it wound up there.

Pointing out the REALITY that Sanders didn't even get enough votes in the Primary to make it to the general election is not the same as claiming that he can't win a general election -- likewise with regards to the REALITY that many voters out there might not be as inclined to vote for a "progressive" in the general election if they are generally moderate or conservative by nature.

Maybe he would have won and maybe he wouldn't have -- I would have voted for him either way, so stop trying to frame this as an "attack" on Sanders.

Regardless, it's now largely irrelevant -- other than to those who take any criticism of Sanders personally, whether objective or otherwise.

[aja_christopher]

So where was I wrong again?

Every single link is from the Huffington Post. EVERY.SINGLE.ONE. But yeah, they were so fair. To be honest, HuffPo had more fair articles after the election, a few before, But like most media they ignored him, or a few of them wrote about him.

In claiming that he was both "smeared" and "ignored" by Huffpo and the "media" in general during the 2016 election, then posting numerous articles about what happened after said election, when many people were pissed off that Sanders (and his supporters) had helped destroy Hillary's chances in the general election.

That said, you're not doing much to further his cause with this line of argument, but instead reminding people of why this kind of self-victimization and divisive behavior was a problem the first time around.

If your goal is to help Bernie win, then another approach is most likely needed given it's lack of success against Trump in 2016.

However, if your goal is to repeat the mistakes of said election, then you're well on your way to making that happen.

[numberthirty]

In claiming that he was both "smeared" and "ignored" by Huffpo and the "media" in general during the 2016 election, then posting numerous articles about what happened after said election, when many people were pissed off that Sanders (and his supporters) had helped destroy Hillary's chances in the general election.

Man, come on.

You have a bunch of folks on this board say that it was Comey that cost HRC the election. If anything like that was the case, Sanders clearly didn't "Help Destroy..." HRC's chances.

Either they were wrong about Comey costing her the elections, or your premise is incredibly flawed.

It can't be both at the same time.

[Malvolio]

Are we still doing this? It's like 2016 was the year that lasted three years long.

[aja_christopher]

Man, come on.

You have a bunch of folks on this board say that it was Comey that cost HRC the election. If anything like that was the case, Sanders clearly didn't "Help Destroy..." HRC's chances.

Either they were wrong about Comey costing her the elections, or your premise is incredibly flawed.

It can't be both at the same time.

"However, if your goal is to repeat the mistakes of said election, then you're well on your way to making that happen."

[Kusanagi]

Are we still doing this? It's like 2016 was the year that lasted three years long.

We'll be talking 2016 till at least Nov 2020.

[Tazirai]

Are we still doing this? It's like 2016 was the year that lasted three years long.

Sadly yes we are. I'm over it.

[kidfresh512]

We'll be talking 2016 till at least Nov 2020.

In 2018 we saw Democrats move on from 2016 in terms of they talked about ISSUES. They ran on issues, healthcare, immigration, gun control and they won all over the map. I think people living in the 2016 of things should see that the party did learn. We have young fresh faces and new ideas. We have so many more women that are representing us now.

That's why I am hopeful and looking forward to the big crop of candidates. And I hope they actually take ideas from each other, take the good in a progressive policy refine it explain it sell it to the people at large. I think we beat trump by actually having real plans. Real fleshed out policies.

[numberthirty]

In 2018 we saw Democrats move on from 2016 in terms of they talked about ISSUES. They ran on issues, healthcare, immigration, gun control and they won all over the map. I think people living in the 2016 of things should see that the party did learn. We have young fresh faces and new ideas. We have so many more women that are representing us now.

That's why I am hopeful and looking forward to the big crop of candidates. And I hope they actually take ideas from each other, take the good in a progressive policy refine it explain it sell it to the people at large. I think we beat trump by actually having real plans. Real fleshed out policies.

I would dance a jig if this actually happened.

What you are describing is borderline "Best Case Scenario..."

[Darkspellmaster]

Look in the end we all need to wait to see what's going on with each candidate. Tami if you make that list I'd like to help in any way I can.