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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Smollett made multiple false statements to different types of authorities, regarding a physical attack. Though I'd have no problem with throwing Wohl in jail and giving him the maximum sentence.
    And what do you then think about the Manafort sentence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Except for the whole they had an aura of coolness thing and actually accomplished things
    The ressemblance is purely cosmetic. He sort of looks like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Except for the whole they had an aura of coolness thing and actually accomplished things
    I'll wait and see what each candidate has to say in the primaries before judging.

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    "Beto won 3 House races and spent 6 years in Congress. He has a longer political resume than Obama did in 2007."

    "This one seems to be a viable threat to Bernie. Other candidates didn't seem to be pulling from the Bernie supporter pool, and other candidates didn't have the online presence or appeal to young people Bernie does.

    Beto has both those things. Bernie supporters have been dreading this day for a while.

    It's a year out, at least 3 quarters of the candidates in the dem primary will drop out before Iowa. It's too early to freak out. But any threat to Bernie must be met with immediate and vicious attack on Reddit.

    It's exactly what Bernie has asked his supporters to NOT do."


    https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/co...rke_announces/
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    Trump just suggested his SA equivalent (Bikers for Trump) and other groups should start a civil war if action is taken against him.

    Perfectly normal. It's perfectly normal to stay a registered Republican even after it became the party of Trump. After all, Republicans are just following orders.
    Whoa, what????? Link please

    Never mind, just found it. The thing is no one bats an eye these days when he goes full on Hitler with this kind of talk. I hope the police and military officials across the country issue a statement that they are not Trump's personal hired goons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    I'll wait and see what each candidate has to say in the primaries before judging.

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    "This one seems to be a viable threat to Bernie. Other candidates didn't seem to be pulling from the Bernie supporter pool, and other candidates didn't have the online presence or appeal to young people Bernie does.

    Beto has both those things. Bernie supporters have been dreading this day for a while.

    It's a year out, at least 3 quarters of the candidates in the dem primary will drop out before Iowa. It's too early to freak out. But any threat to Bernie must be met with immediate and vicious attack on Reddit.

    It's exactly what Bernie has asked his supporters to NOT do."


    https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/co...rke_announces/
    I already have their track records. If they something wildly different while campaigning it would be a major red flag.

    As to your reddit post, it’s a pretty bad take. Bernie owns the youth vote and some aww shucks moderate from Texas won’t sway that imo. Also Beto has somewhat of an online presence but he doesn’t have the name recognition Bernie does. He’ll struggle to separate from the Warren’s and Harris’ of the world let alone the current most popular politician in the country.

    That post was a major reach and based off the poster complaining about Bernie supporters it’s kind of hard to think it’s not a lot of wishful thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Watkins View Post
    i still think that he has running mate written all over him. i don't think that he'd win a primary.
    That's my take on Beto tool. He managed to excite people enough during his run in Texas that he might make the perfect person to put on a ticket as Veep.
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.b084e8678ad0

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8820381.html

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8822046.html


    California’s governor has signed a moratorium halting the use of the death penalty, saying he would be unable to sleep at night if he sent just one innocent person to their death.

    “I do not believe that a civilized society can claim to be a leader in the world as long as its government continues to sanction the premeditated and discriminatory execution of its people,” Newsom plans to say. “In short, the death penalty is inconsistent with our bedrock values and strikes at the very heart of what it means to be a Californian.”


    Governor Gavin Newsom imposed moratorium on executions, because of his personal beliefs or feelings which he consider more important than the feelings of the victims' families.

    Janet Reno opposed the death penalty but she did not let her beliefs influence her duty to enforce the death penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    That post was a major reach and based off the poster complaining about Bernie supporters itís kind of hard to think itís not a lot of wishful thinking
    If you say so.

    Like I said before, I'll wait to see what each has to say in the primaries before judging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    If you say so.

    Like I said before, I'll wait to see what each has to say in the primaries before judging.
    Again we have multiple years of a track record for nearly every candidate. I really donít need to wait to see if there words are different than their actions

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Again we have multiple years of a track record for nearly every candidate. I really don’t need to wait to see if there words are different than their actions
    I hope you apply that to Sanders with regards to his civil rights record, especially considering the fact that Beto is getting promoted by Oprah, Ellen, and now Gayle King.

    Point being, you can vote for whomever you want to, but there are a lot of issues that matter to other Americans that you might not be considering with regards to overall support. What you see in Sanders, not everyone is going to care about.

    Regardless, the more you bash Beto, the more it shows you see him as a real threat -- I doubt that will stop you but it does confirm what people are saying about Sanders supporters, especially with regards to Kamala and Beto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.b084e8678ad0

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8820381.html

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8822046.html


    California’s governor has signed a moratorium halting the use of the death penalty, saying he would be unable to sleep at night if he sent just one innocent person to their death.

    “I do not believe that a civilized society can claim to be a leader in the world as long as its government continues to sanction the premeditated and discriminatory execution of its people,” Newsom plans to say. “In short, the death penalty is inconsistent with our bedrock values and strikes at the very heart of what it means to be a Californian.”


    Governor Gavin Newsom imposed moratorium on executions, because of his personal beliefs or feelings which he consider more important than the feelings of the victims' families.

    Janet Reno opposed the death penalty but she did not let her beliefs influence her duty to enforce the death penalty.

    First an AG is different from a Governor.
    Second, you support the death penalty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    I hope you apply that to Sanders with regards to his civil rights record, especially considering the fact that Beto is getting promoted by Oprah, Ellen, and now Gayle King.

    Point being, you can vote for whomever you want to, but there are a lot of issues that matter to other Americans that you might not be considering with regards to overall support. What you see in Sanders, not everyone is going to care about.

    Regardless, the more you bash Beto, the more it shows you see him as a real threat -- I doubt that will stop you but it does confirm what people are saying about Sanders supporters, especially with regards to Kamala and Beto.
    Does Bernie have a bad civil rights record or is it just people crying that he doesn’t jump feet first into identity politics enough? Because I see a lot of people dismiss him being involved in the civil rights marches, but I really don’t see anything that Beto or Harris have done that really compare beyond some lip service.

    If being critical of someone is an indication of seeing them as a threat then many people, yourself included, have seen Bernie as a threat for a long time. But realistically no, I think Beto’s one of a handful that would actually lose to Trump.

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    Beto rules.

    I don't think he'll get the nom, and probably not my first choice anyway, but I'd be just fine if he did get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Does Bernie have a bad civil rights record or is it just people crying that he doesn’t jump feet first into identity politics enough?
    I didn't say he had a bad civil rights record -- in fact, I didn't say anything bad about him at all.

    But thanks for your telling take on "identity politics".

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    I didn't say he had a bad civil rights record -- in fact, I didn't say anything bad about him at all.

    But thanks for your telling take on "identity politics".
    What was my take on identity politics? I just said Bernie upsets people for not campaigning on. But feel free to tell me my stances on the facets of identity politics. I’ll be interested if there was substance behind your comment.

    But yeah I just find it ironic that people who are general critical about Bernie (and this isn’t the first time you made mention of him having issues with civil rights without going into specifics) proclaiming that people who critique potential opponents (Beto won’t get far enough to be a real challenge) are somehow viewing them as threats.

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