All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!(Part II)

[aja_christopher]

Put simply, that Harris has been a threat to the rights of the accused is the actual issue.

And the Sanders' campaign has been been a threat to women (via sexual harassment) and doesn't address racial injustice directly, but I don't see you making an issue of that for some reason, despite complaining about Hillary ("super predators") for issues of "racial injustice" when it serves your candidate.



I still remember you claiming she didn't support Black Lives Matters until I posted a video of the mothers of those killed speaking at her rally, at which point you just disappeared for a while.

[numberthirty]

I’m still willing to give Sanders a chance, but his followers repulse me with their fanatical fervor which I find to be nearly on par with the MAGA Maggots who slurp Donald Trump. And yeah, their refusal to play nice and support other Democratic candidates only aids and abets the GOP, and we cant have that happen again next year.

The person who wound up with the nomination was talking about how Sanders wasn't a "Real" Democrat while being booed.

"Playing Nice..." was already out the window, and it wasn't Sanders' supporters that created that reality.

[aja_christopher]

The person who wound up with the nomination was talking about how Sanders wasn't a "Real" Democrat while being booed.

30 -- I was alive and politically active online during the 2016 election because I saw how much of a threat Trump is to our Democracy and how attacking Hillary -- and the Democratic party in general -- was a sure path to failure.

Sanders supporters -- such as yourself -- are the same now as you were then, so don't try to tell me things that I already know about from direct experience.

[numberthirty]

And the Sanders' campaign has been been a threat to women (via sexual harassment) and doesn't address racial injustice directly, but I don't see you making an issue of that for some reason, despite complaining about Hillary ("super predators") for issues of "racial injustice" when it serves your candidate.

Lemme see if I have this one straight...

Harris actually kept an innocent man(Daniel Larsen) in prison for years after a Federal judge had to throw out his conviction.

If you are trying to put that into an "Apples"/"Apples" comparison with the sexual harassment during the previous Sanders' run?

It doesn't work. To put it lightly.

As for that racial injustice isn't number one when it comes to the guy's platform? Perfectly fair.

It's just an entirely different level than keeping a man whose conviction has been tossed by a Federal judge in jail for years after that conviction has been tossed when you are at the top of the Department who could make that release happen.

[aja_christopher]

If you are trying to put that into an "Apples"/"Apples" comparison with the sexual harassment during the previous Sanders' run?

I'm not "comparing" anything with you 30 -- it's a waste of time.

You keep doing what you do -- like not voting for Hillary in 2016 -- because you will, regardless of the consequences.

That the person who allegedly cares so much about "justice" didn't see fit to "vote against" Trump speaks volumes.

[numberthirty]

I'm not "comparing" anything with you 30 -- it's a waste of time.

You keep doing what you do -- like not voting for Hillary in 2016 -- because you will, regardless of the consequences.

That the person who allegedly cares so much about "justice" didn't see fit to "vote against" Trump speaks volumes.

While I know I've probably already said this more than once, "Vote Against..." and hoping an opponent will hand you a win is how we got here to start with.

Whoever the nominee will be not counting on "Against" votes will be a really good start.

[zinderel]

I feel like someone should start a 'Let's Relitigate the 2016 Election!' thread so we can stop wasting so much space on this thread...

[numberthirty]

Agreed. I personally like Sanders and love most of what he has to say but his most fervent followers have shown that they are willing to sabotage the democrats if Bernie doesn’t win. It’s why many people (me and my friends included) felt a sense of dread when he announced his candidacy for 2020. This election is far too important. Trump is one of the greatest threats our country has faced. We can’t have people casting protest votes or staying home altogether.

The democrats have a strange problem. They currently have too many good candidates. This may actually be great for Trump. It’s going to divide the hell out of the party. I really hope there is time to unite before November 2020.

If it's that important?

Be realistic about that you might wind up needing some votes from members of your party that are on the fence or folks who just are not inclined to back the party to start with, and act accordingly.

Last time out, Democrats started a fight without thinking about if they had a good plan to deal with the consequences of doing so.

The upside is that I don't really see anyone that's in the running doing so this time.

[Tendrin]

While I know I've probably already said this more than once, "Vote Against..." and hoping an opponent will hand you a win is how we got here to start with.

Whoever the nominee will be not counting on "Against" votes will be a really good start.

Voting against Trump is literally the least you can do. You couldn't even be bothered to do that. It's why Aja is right.

[aja_christopher]

While I know I've probably already said this more than once, "Vote Against..." and hoping an opponent will hand you a win is how we got here to start with.

Stop lying -- people like you not taking a stand and "voting against" someone like Trump is how we got here, 30.

Anyway, I'm done with this because like I said before, it's a waste of time.

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[numberthirty]

Voting against Trump is literally the least you can do. You couldn't even be bothered to do that. It's why Aja is right.

Counting on that was how Trump wound up in office.

It is an incredibly dumb strategy, and always was.

People don't want to vote against a candidate that is going to sandbag them being able to have better healthcare, and just hope things work out. They want to vote for a candidate that will focus on that.

[Tendrin]

Counting on that and was how Trump wound up in office.

It is an incredibly dumb strategy, and always was.

People don't want to vote against a candidate that is going to sandbag them being able to have better healthcare, and just hope things work out. They want to vote for a candidate that will focus on that.

Nobody was 'counting' on that. That's your delusion.

Voting against Trump was literally the least you could do and you couldn't even do that.

[numberthirty]

Nobody was 'counting' on that. That's your delusion.

Voting against Trump was literally the least you could do and you couldn't even do that.

It was what the entire end of HRC's campaign strategy was based on.

Pointing out the issues with her opponent, and crossing her fingers.

[Tendrin]

It was what the entire end of HRC's campaign strategy was based on.

Pointing out the issues with her opponent, and crossing her fingers.

You'd be wrong about that, as usual, but I'm not going to relitigate it with you yet again.

Also, every thing she brought up and pointed out has been born out with 100% accuracy. And you still don't consider that /maybe/ you should have voted against all of that. THe children in cages on the border thank you for your stand.

[numberthirty]

You'd be wrong about that, as usual, but I'm not going to relitigate it with you yet again.

Also, every thing she brought up and pointed out has been born out with 100% accuracy. And you still don't consider that /maybe/ you should have voted against all of that. THe children in cages on the border thank you for your stand.

If a single vote in Illinois would have changed the outcome, you might be onto something.

As it stands, it was(and is still) a garbage strategy that counts on your opponent to hand you a win. Matter of fact, it was how her opponent won.

There will probably never be a time where that is not a lousy plan.