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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I'm not saying it's something Joker *specifically* should have (though I'm not bothered by it either), I just mean in the general sense of some characters having a particular font or other dialogue quirk that sets them apart. Like, you can take a random line of dialogue from Rogue and know who's speaking just from the way the accent is handled. Joker's current weird-ass font gets the same thing across; even without seeing who's speaking you know that's Joker.

    And I dunno if Darkseid ever had his own font, but I do seem to vaguely recall some form of gothic font being used for him (or maybe just in caption boxes?) or something. If he *did* have his own unique font, that should return.
    I've always liked The Spectre having his own design for speech bubbles with inverted text/bubble coloration. It really sets him apart from others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    Well, it's my personal experience. I'm not saying everyone is like this, but I've encountered enough people who are against any "old" movie, tv show or comic book. And I don't hang with movie/entertainment executives.
    I find this is true for a lot of people. Nobody I know save one or two people would ever be willing to watch The Twilight Zone, Outer Limits or the 1957 Zorro series and each of them is wonderful television.

    What can you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    I've always liked The Spectre having his own design for speech bubbles with inverted text/bubble coloration. It really sets him apart from others.
    Ohh, good example!

    Yeah, I love the details like that. It makes the art more interesting to look at and makes the characters feel more unique. And this is a facet where everyone's usually pretty similar; so I feel like you get a lot of mileage out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    I find this is true for a lot of people. Nobody I know save one or two people would ever be willing to watch The Twilight Zone, Outer Limits or the 1957 Zorro series and each of them is wonderful television.

    What can you do.
    Add me to the list for the Old Zorro series!! I'm reallying hoping things like this end up in Disney+ It's the only draw for me to actually pay for it.

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    I liked when the original Swamp Thing had the unique thought balloons--and a different style of speech balloons when he spoke. But the mark of a good writer is to script the lines for each character to fit that person. So even without font changes or different styled balloons, you know which character is talking because the writer understands their voice. Comics should be visual, but they also need to be literate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    I liked when the original Swamp Thing had the unique thought balloons--and a different style of speech balloons when he spoke. But the mark of a good writer is to script the lines for each character to fit that person. So even without font changes or different styled balloons, you know which character is talking because the writer understands their voice. Comics should be visual, but they also need to be literate.
    You're absolutely right. I remember....I think it was Ennis....talking about this with Preacher, and how he wanted to make sure everyone's voice was distinctive enough that readers could identify them even on a panel where you couldn't see who was talking at all. Every writer should be capable of doing that. I mean.....isn't that a requirement? Most writers don't have cute little pictures to go with their words in the first place.

    But, since this *is* a visual medium, I like a little bit of eye candy and zest in my dialogue. I don't want *every* character to have weird art around the speech bubbles, or odd coloring, or whatever, but I do think it does a fantastic job of making things read in a unique way for those characters who sound somehow otherworldly (or otherwise require a little zing in the way they speak and sound). I mean, you take the Spectre, and you can literally see the righteous fire burning in his words, and that makes him "sound" much more epic in the reader's head. The dialogue art makes sure you know that this guy doesn't sound like a normal person; he doesn't sound like "Jim Corrigan" he sounds like the "spirit of vengeance."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Ohh, good example!

    Yeah, I love the details like that. It makes the art more interesting to look at and makes the characters feel more unique. And this is a facet where everyone's usually pretty similar; so I feel like you get a lot of mileage out of it.
    Sure, but it needs to be used sparingly. Batman, The Joker, etc. These are people. Darkseid? The Spectre? Embodiments or fragments of gods and concepts themselves. It works for them. I do think that the more this happens, the less special it would be. Dr. Fate? Absolutely. Zatanna? The backword speak is enough. I let it pass for TBWL (despite not liking him) because, well, he's a nightmare character. It makes him more like a wraith and further reminds of Judge Death. I think it works for him on that alone.

    I really don't want to see Joker or Batman proper getting this treatment. It doesn't fit either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I mean, you take the Spectre, and you can literally see the righteous fire burning in his words, and that makes him "sound" much more epic in the reader's head. The dialogue art makes sure you know that this guy doesn't sound like a normal person; he doesn't sound like "Jim Corrigan" he sounds like the "spirit of vengeance."
    Boom. The fading trail on his word balloons gives him a soft-spoken, almost whisper and the inverted colors pierces the page. It comes across as a whisper that you can't actually hear, but feel as it reverberates in your spine, searing unease into your conscious. It's absolutely visceral for a ghost who is supposed to be God's Reddit post.

    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    Add me to the list for the Old Zorro series!! I'm reallying hoping things like this end up in Disney+ It's the only draw for me to actually pay for it.
    I know! I wish Disney didn't force me to scour Youtube for episodes. I'd gladly pay to stream that wonderful show, but as it is, I'm not paying $300 for a DVD set per season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    I find this is true for a lot of people. Nobody I know save one or two people would ever be willing to watch ...... or the 1957 Zorro series and each of them is wonderful television.

    What can you do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    Add me to the list for the Old Zorro series!! I'm reallying hoping things like this end up in Disney+ It's the only draw for me to actually pay for it.

    I know! I wish Disney didn't force me to scour Youtube for episodes. I'd gladly pay to stream that wonderful show, but as it is, I'm not paying $300 for a DVD set per season.
    Not exactly controversial, but add me as another hoping Disney's Zorro is part of Disney+
    Although if they do, I hope they broadcast the original black and white version, not the bizarre colorized 90s version.


    This might be somewhat controversial
    Besides Miller in story tying Batman's origin to Zorro, the recognizable Batman lightning strike silhouettes imagery he popularized, can also be traced to Disney's Zorro.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    I find this is true for a lot of people. Nobody I know save one or two people would ever be willing to watch The Twilight Zone, Outer Limits or the 1957 Zorro series and each of them is wonderful television.

    What can you do.
    Twilight Zone is one of my go tos when I can't sleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vordan View Post
    I will say that Morrison’s refusal to use the Internet does mean that I think he’s slowly drifting out of touch, but that hasn’t hurt my enjoyment of TGL. It does mean I’d be leery of reading a “topical” work in this day and age by him.
    He doesn't use the internet? Could've fooled me. I thought Multiversity was a good satire on fan forums.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    It's absolutely visceral for a ghost who is supposed to be God's Reddit post.
    That is a very disturbing way to describe the Spectre.

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    It's weird that people who stay off social media are being stigmatized for being "out of touch" with reality. Reminds me of the Ray Bradbury 1953 novel and François Truffaut 1966 movie, FAHRENHEIT 451--set in the near future, where people are encouraged to consume reality programs on their big screens and reading physical books is considered a crime against the state. Pretty soon the firemen are going to come to my house and burn all my books. Then I'll have to leave this reality to live in a commune with like-minded, out-of-touch people who have all become walking, talking books. I wonder which one Grant Morrison will be.

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    I wish I could travel back in time to 2011 and try to stop Flashpoint from happening...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LP22 View Post
    I wish I could travel back in time to 2011 and try to stop Flashpoint from happening...
    Or Cry for Justice. Or Zero Hour. Or getting them to sort out post-Crisis on Infinite Earths continuity.

    Yeah, I have a list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90'sCartoonMan View Post
    He doesn't use the internet? Could've fooled me. I thought Multiversity was a good satire on fan forums.



    That is a very disturbing way to describe the Spectre.
    Can you think of a non disturbing way to describe an entity designed to be God's personal score settler, usually against mortals? He's the ultimate punch-down legbreaker.

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    I think what is so great about fictional city locales is that every single thing about them can be made up. From their own criminal penal code to the landscape.

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