Your DC-Only controversial opinions (part II)...

[Stanlos]

😒 I can see a world where the Titans don't need to exist and we can send a superman, ww, bat rep to every problem that pops up, sure so they're the JLU from the cartoon that's okay I guess?
but to me the problem is deeper and it's come with multiple generations of characters just never growing up or old all being crammed together. Hell, they're could Easily be a scenario where the jsa and Tim Drakws team are working the same case, but in practice they all just get erased... imho

Honestly if they are depicted as intended a verse only needs Supes, Wondy, or Cap. One of them and street level characters and specialist are all that needed

[marhawkman]

In an ideal world we could have the main five generation books going at once (Justice Society, Justice League, Titans, Young Justice and Teen Titans) plus others like LoSH.

Yeah team books help a lot when it comes to writing a LOT of characters even if they don't have their own book. A lot of them never had their own book TBH. Like... Writing a Supermen of America book with Livewire in it as a hero? COOL!... no chance in hell of them giving her a solo title.

The fact that Wallace is still getting called out of his name in the backend of 2021 really is a special kind of aggravating.

Honestly? Both characters are named Wallace. One of them normally uses Wally... the other doesn't. This specific example was a REALLY BADDDDD character name choice. Writing "Wallace Rudolph West" and "Wallace Rudolph West III"? really? Only works if one is the grandson(or other descendant) of the other (which he is). Otherwise it's incompetent story telling.

Thing about readers using the "wrong name"... THEY LITERALLY HAVE THE SAME NAME!!!! It's a given that people will call both of them "Wally". And that makes it confusing from a story commentary PoV. the idea of calling one "Wally" and the other "Wallace".... is misguided. They're both NAMED Wallace.

[Ascended]

They're both named Wallace, but one goes by Wally and the other uses their full name.

It's not any different from Barry and Bart; both are named Bartholomew but they use different nicknames.

I don't believe for a second that anyone is honestly confused by Wally and Wallace.

[TheRay]

Which one?

The controversial one.

[Alpha]

The controversial one.

The Dark Angel one? We already discussed that a lot here. I think it's by the best one, but it could be even simpler. I'm just gonna quote the start of the discussion and you can read from there on what everyone else had to say about it as well as my responses.

This discussion starts in this thread on page 235 and ends in page 242

Donna being adopted by the amazons after a disaster just isn't interesting. It's Steve Trevor's origin except if he was a girl. And it doesn't clearly define what her unique identity and appeal are.

The idea that while Diana was created to be loved, Donna was created to suffer is a great contrast.

While Diana was blessed with all the strength of a woman, whereas Donna was given all the insecurities of mankind, and Diana helped her escape this cycle of pain.

I don't think the idea of Dark Angel being a Donna Troy from another dimension, or Donna being created by Magala to give Diana company are necessary, just the foundational idea that Donna is a woman full of insecurities by destiny itself, but manages to turn them into strength and becomes a heroine.

If anything the idea that the origin of all these curses is Donna herself from another timestream could be something she finds out years after becoming a hero. It doesn't have to be her origin but it can still be a part of her saga.

[TheRay]

We already discussed that a lot here.

Okay? That's amazing. I was just giving my thoughts on it.

[Alpha]

Okay? That's amazing. I was just giving my thoughts on it.

I wasn't saying you couldn't. I was telling you how you could find out what others had said about it.

And you didn't really share your thoughts, you just said you liked it. It's not much of an opinion. More of a vote.

[TheRay]

You know I didn't realize there was a certain threshold opinions had to meet in order for them to be expressed.
Is there a list of set criteria I could find somewhere or did you just make them up yourself?

[Alpha]

I specifically said that you can say whatever you want my man. And then I told you where you could find what others had said about it. I thought I was being helpful.

Hey I hope I'm not ruining your day, I certainly don't want you not to feel welcomed into this place, but I think you are misreading what I'm trying to say.

[TheRay]

It could be fine to play around with the idea of who the first superhero was, but I don't think it should be too important to the overall universe.

[Alpha]

Yeah I can certainly agree with that. Specially since they everyone in the JSA seems to debut at the same time. And if it's not Superman DC probably isn't gonna make a big point out of who was first.

[Agent Z]

A lot of criticisms from Superman fans stem from toxic masculinity.

[Restingvoice]

A lot of criticisms from Superman fans stem from toxic masculinity.

Oh. That he's uncool because he's non violent and wear candy color suit?

[king81992]

A lot of criticisms from Superman fans stem from toxic masculinity.

I feel like the toxic masculinity types have issues with Superman.

[SiegePerilous02]

I think it tends to manifest in different ways depending on who is expressing the opinion. Some find the marriage boring, but others take it too far and bash Lois herself for all the storytelling problems and insist Clark should be with a more "worthy" woman and/or sleep around a lot. Then there is the belief that he should be the strongest in physical stats and that should manifest as him owning his teammates in battle to assert his dominance or whatever. When most reasonable fans who want Clark to live up to his legend as the strongest still expect other heroes to be close and surpass him in other areas. Back in the Bronze age he was the strongest and didn't have anything to prove, so it's not like they pitted heroes against each other as much.

Stuff like the fight in the JL movie (either version) may seem cathartic to Superman fans on the surface, but it was totally unnecessary and shallow. Yes, if he was unleashed that's pretty much how a fight between him and the parties present (excluding Wonder Woman, who got nerfed) would go down, but it's just empty posturing that didn't flesh him out as a character. It pretty much was "Superman has value because he can kick everyone's ass, including the world's most powerful woman." That's not helpful to him or anyone.

Overall though, I think the toxic masculinity types tend to favor Frank Miller-flavored versions of Batman over Superman (and other versions of Batman).