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    I'm sure I'm not the only one who's said this, but Joker is boring. There are many great stories and interpretations with Joker in it, but Joker by himself is often very very boring. Mostly because of how much he's treated as a Villain Sue. Lot's of low power level characters get this treatment, but I feel as though Joker gets it the most.

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    I really don't like those scratchy speech bubbles that Scott Snyder has foisted onto Joker now that every book he appears in has to use.

    It fits with Snyder's Joker because Snyder treats his Joker as like the literal devil or some kind of demon, but it gets kind of ridiculous when he has those speech bubbles for a small appearance in Harley Quinn or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I really don't like those scratchy speech bubbles that Scott Snyder has foisted onto Joker now that every book he appears in has to use.

    It fits with Snyder's Joker because Snyder treats his Joker as like the literal devil or some kind of demon, but it gets kind of ridiculous when he has those speech bubbles for a small appearance in Harley Quinn or whatever.
    This 100%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I really don't like those scratchy speech bubbles that Scott Snyder has foisted onto Joker now that every book he appears in has to use.

    It fits with Snyder's Joker because Snyder treats his Joker as like the literal devil or some kind of demon, but it gets kind of ridiculous when he has those speech bubbles for a small appearance in Harley Quinn or whatever.
    Shouldn't you be pointing the finger at Jimmy Betancourt, the actual letterer of Death of the Family? (which is I assume where that started)

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    Quote Originally Posted by H-E-D View Post
    Shouldn't you be pointing the finger at Jimmy Betancourt, the actual letterer of Death of the Family? (which is I assume where that started)
    I think it started with Black Mirror.

    If Betancourt was the one who came up with it, then yeah, but I have to imagine Snyder probably specified it himself unless it was something they collaborated on together.

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    Back in the 1960s and 1970s, I had a hard time believing that the Joker was any match for Batman. The Clown Prince of Crime was drawn to look boney and feeble, so in any kind of fight he wouldn't have had any chance. Nor was he that smart--I thought it ridiculous when he was used in the Batman vs. Hulk tabloid team-up from DC and Marvel.

    I did like the stories where he came up with totally nutty schemes. It didn't make sense that Batman would fall for any of these--but as pure entertainment those stories were okay. More than anything, Joker was comic relief--but a steady diet of the Grinning Jackanapes was overindulgent. Mind you, as just a fun comic, not to be taken too seriously, the 1975 - 76 JOKER bi-monthly was worth the quarter it cost.
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    edited post. sorry wrong thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    That's really all you need. Between Smallville, STAS, Lois and CLark, Superman Returns, the 80's movies.... does anyone NEED to see the rocket crash again?? Throw in a quick flashback or a prologue and then give us an established heroic Superman.
    It'd be cool to see the "8 word origin" from All-Star Superman in live action.

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    ACTING! She's Kate Bosworth playing Margot Kidder playing Lois Lane. Funny thing is, when SUPERMAN (1978) came out, I thought she looked too old for the part (nowadays I don't feel that way) and I knew that Kidder was older than Reeve. So maybe if you average them out, between Kate and Margot, Lois is about the right age in the end.

    Then there's Amy Adams, who should be too old for the part opposite Cavill. But I just have to think of her as "Hot Girl" from THE OFFICE and then I'm okay with the age difference.
    Amy Adams went to high school with Tom Welling's Clark Kent, that makes her the perfect age for me. For the most part, I do agree, it is a matter of acting (and make-up and wardrobe is a factor) and how convincingly the actor can pull of the age range they're playing. It usually doesn't bother me, but I'm not a fan of the huge age gap between the Raven and Beast Boy actors on the live action Titans show.

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    One reason we keep seeing these stories retold is to keep the concepts relevant and fresh for younger generations. An 8 year old may never have seen the 80s Superman movies or Lois and Clark. Smallville brought a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't be Superman fans into the fanbase. We should't assume everyone has seen everything we have, or connected with it the way we might have. Perhaps someone saw Superman: TAS but didn't become a huge Superman fan until seeing Justice League cartoon.

    All that said:
    If I were to do a Superman movie (Ha!), he would be out in space with Maxima fighting in War World tournaments and stuff like that. There are a lot of sides to Superman, and I would like to show one that has never been seen in theaters. I also think this could give the character the rejuvenation he needs and it would dramatically distance things from Man of Steel and its ilk.

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    It also seems to be the case with a lot of people that if you try to make them sit and watch a movie or TV show that's more than ten years old, they roll their eyes and just can't be bothered. The same with comic books. So everything has to be refreshed for a new generation's eyeballs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    It also seems to be the case with a lot of people that if you try to make them sit and watch a movie or TV show that's more than ten years old, they roll their eyes and just can't be bothered. The same with comic books. So everything has to be refreshed for a new generation's eyeballs.
    I feel that's just a generalization that is used for movie/entertainment executives to keep rebooting everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byrd156 View Post
    I feel that's just a generalization that is used for movie/entertainment executives to keep rebooting everything.
    Well, it's my personal experience. I'm not saying everyone is like this, but I've encountered enough people who are against any "old" movie, tv show or comic book. And I don't hang with movie/entertainment executives.
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    The Flash's very existence disproves the notion that a hero can be too powerful to create convincing villains for regularly. Every time I hear someone say "Superman is too powerful to relate to or challenge I bring up two characters.

    Flash and Goku from Dragonball Z

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I really don't like those scratchy speech bubbles that Scott Snyder has foisted onto Joker now that every book he appears in has to use.

    It fits with Snyder's Joker because Snyder treats his Joker as like the literal devil or some kind of demon, but it gets kind of ridiculous when he has those speech bubbles for a small appearance in Harley Quinn or whatever.
    Totally agree. Glad I'm not the only one who has been feeling this way.

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    Scott Snyder's stories have become so grandiose, bloated, and exposition/narration box filled that they are usually boring and VERY difficult to get through.
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