Your DC-Only controversial opinions (part II)...

[Agent Z]

Heroes in Crisis is getting two books spin out of it to repair what was done, one of which is marketed as a fun book where Harley gets her girl back. I'm sure there will be some drama, but it's already backpedaling. What's your point? DC published Kyle Baker's Plastic Man at the same time as Identity Crisis. It's not that much different.

I specifically said this doesn't happen nowadays for the most part.

Also, the Wally book isn't repairing anything from HiC.

[Dark-Jacket]

To clarify my comment, I was responding to this comment

DC in the 90s was far more successful and optimistic than anything they've put out in the 2000s and 2010s.

The 90's weren't optimistic, most of the things I talked about were reversed a decade later. My initital point was, we haven't left the dark ages of comics. ^^

To elaborate on your answer agent.
There can always been good emerging from bad. I don't say even now nothing good comes from DC. But we're are in a very depressing era of comics where heroes can't seem to catch a break or are huge jerkass.

[Agent Z]

To clarify my comment, I was responding to this comment



The 90's weren't optimistic, most of the things I talked about were reversed a decade later. My initital point was, we haven't left the dark ages of comics. ^^

To elaborate on your answer agent.
There can always been good emerging from bad. I don't say even now nothing good comes from DC. But we're are in a very depressing era of comics where heroes can't seem to catch a break or are huge jerkass.

I agree we haven't really left the dark age. Where I disagree is that the 90s started it for DC. Most of what you said was either undone immediately as part of a story or mitigated by what came after.

Bad things happening in a story is not a lack of optimism.

[Dark-Jacket]

I agree we haven't really left the dark age. Where I disagree is that the 90s started it for DC. Most of what you said was either undone immediately as part of a story or mitigated by what came after.

Bad things happening in a story is not a lack of optimism.

I don't think either it started with the 90's nor that nothing good came from the 90's (I started reading comics in 1990 and a loved a good lot of these stories.) I should have been more specific. To me new52 and rebirth are failure so far as to get out of the dark age of comics.

That's funny because I feel more depressed than entertained reading most of DC comics products. I'd be curious to get your sense of optimism.

[DrNewGod]

Unlike Bucky Barnes, both Barry Allen and Jason Todd had much more utility as revered corpses than as current characters.

[Arsenal]

The only characters that have more utility as revered corpses are those specifically created to die (The Waynes, the Uncle Bens, etc.)

[Dred]

The only characters that have more utility as revered corpses are those specifically created to die (The Waynes, the Uncle Bens, etc.)

There is a reasonable argument that Barry being dead led to more and better narrative creation than his revival. A pretty strong one, actually.

[Pohzee]

Unlike Bucky Barnes, both Barry Allen and Jason Todd had much more utility as revered corpses than as current characters.

Hard agree tbh

[DrNewGod]

Giffen's Justice League was great for about 6 issues, and then turned horrible.

[DrNewGod]

The only characters that have more utility as revered corpses are those specifically created to die (The Waynes, the Uncle Bens, etc.)

There is a reasonable argument that Barry being dead led to more and better narrative creation than his revival. A pretty strong one, actually.

And Batman having so vivid a failure gave him an impetus beyond his parents murder.

[Adekis]

DC should retcon Jason so he never died and just grew up to be Red Hood naturally. Or at least do a mainstream alternate take where that happens.

[Pohzee]

DC should retcon Jason so he never died and just grew up to be Red Hood naturally. Or at least do a mainstream alternate take where that happens.

Why would he take up the name Red Hood then?

[byrd156]

DC should retcon Jason so he never died and just grew up to be Red Hood naturally. Or at least do a mainstream alternate take where that happens.

How would he become Red Hood naturally?

Jason's death is an important moment in the DCU and defines Jason's worldview about killing criminals.

[DrNewGod]

Why would he take up the name Red Hood then?

For the same reason Grayson became Nightwing? Independence.

[Pohzee]

For the same reason Grayson became Nightwing? Independence.

No. Specifically the name Red Hood. Taking a name after the Joker without that twisted personal connection would be like naming yourself after Ted Bundy or Hitler.

But also that's some Nightwing-lite dilution there IMO