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    I'd like to see all the heroes get their own city to protect. It's nice that Batman has inspired so many, but the number of heroes in Gotham does not need to be equal to the number of rogues.

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    If every DC city was a fictional city, I would be fine with that. It can sometimes get a bit too confusing when there are both real cities and fictional cities occupying the same space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    If every DC city was a fictional city, I would be fine with that. It can sometimes get a bit too confusing when there are both real cities and fictional cities occupying the same space.
    There's some real sense to that. Marvel's use of real places seemed edgy back in the day, but trying to cast Manhattan as the kind of crime-infested hell-hole it was in 1970 is now problematic. You don't have to worry about what Star City or Metropolis are in real life when fitting a story to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    It can sometimes get a bit too confusing when there are both real cities and fictional cities occupying the same space.
    I like that they use a mix. I just think it is a bit unlikely that with an endless supply of cities out there, most of the heroes have coalesced into one area. Kind of like Marvel with New York. That's fine for when you want them to team up, but I think their solos should have them being the knight their hometown needs, maybe has always needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRay View Post
    I'd like to see all the heroes get their own city to protect. It's nice that Batman has inspired so many, but the number of heroes in Gotham does not need to be equal to the number of rogues.
    I'd rather non Bat Gotham heroes actually DO something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    If every DC city was a fictional city, I would be fine with that. It can sometimes get a bit too confusing when there are both real cities and fictional cities occupying the same space.
    Are they filling the same space?
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    In Ralph and Sue Dibny's DETECTIVE run, in the 1960s, they travelled all over the United States and I don't recall them ever going to a real city (outside of the USA, yes, but not in the States). Of course, they visited Coast City, Central City, Gotham City and Ivy Town, but they also went to many other cities and towns that I don't think were used in other comics. Right there you have a lot of places that could serve as other locations.

    A lot of the classic fictional cities seemed to take the place of real cities in the DC stories. Gotham and Metropolis both took the place of New York. I think Coast City was San Diego (or possibly another California town). There was Evergreen City that was either Portland, Oregon or Seattle, Washington. Ivy Town was a university town for one of the Ivy League schools--so I'll say it was Princeton, since in the real world Einstein was at Princeton and it would make sense that Ray Palmer's Ivy University was the equivalent of Princeton University. Linda Danvers attended Stanhope College, which I always thought was Stanford (but whether Linda's Stanhope was on the east coast or the west coast is a bit of a puzzle).

    In the 1970s Calculator story that ran in DETECTIVE, writer Bob Rozakis meant for the series to track a path across the United States, as the Calculator went from one super-hero's fictional city to the next. However, from what I understand, there was an error on Bob's map, so it actually didn't line up quite as he intended. Not that anyone else would know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byrd156 View Post
    Are they filling the same space?
    Sometimes. I've heard it said that Metropolis and Gotham are pretty much New York and New Jersey.... Though I've also heard it said that Gotham was New York and Bludhaven was Jersey...

    Which is fine on the surface, but DC earth already has an actual New York and Jersey too so that east coast metropolis is a bit crowded there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    Sometimes. I've heard it said that Metropolis and Gotham are pretty much New York and New Jersey.... Though I've also heard it said that Gotham was New York and Bludhaven was Jersey...

    Which is fine on the surface, but DC earth already has an actual New York and Jersey too so that east coast metropolis is a bit crowded there...
    I've always heard that Gotham and Bludhaven are just cities in New Jersey and New York respectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Savior View Post
    I never cared much for Black Panther because I'm usually not into social commentary stories with Black characters in a superhero setting, and I'm not terribly interested in Africa, to tell you the truth. Well, at least not sub-Saharan Africa. I can't think of anything from the culture, history, or mythology that really hooked me, except for maybe the British fighting Zulus, but...that's kind of more from the British perspective, so... :T

    I'm not interested in Luke Cage for similar reasons. I'm not all that into his Black neighborhood story or prison background. Maybe this stuff doesn't appeal to me because a lot of it is somehow rooted in something negative. There is at least a shadow of it. In Black Panther, as was mentioned, there is white supremacy and colonialism. In Luke Cage, there is the ghetto and black people's struggles with the American justice system. Black Lightning isn't a whole lot different. Milestone books typically weren't any better, from my point of view, and I thought this was disappointing because they were done largely by black creators. With the white guys, I understood the situation better. They didn't often have much use for black characters unless they were going to make a point about their blackness, but Milestone was treading pretty much the same ground, even though Milestone's fans love to deny this from my experience. For example, the first issue of Hardware, which was a debut title for them, is literally titled "Angry Black Man", and the first superhero team they had is a street gang.

    I simply don't find this type of stuff to be escapism or very appealing. It's often based in sad aspects of reality. I don't mean to say that it shouldn't have been made, or the stories have no merit, or that good stories can't be told in that setting. I guess for some people, their escapism is seeing a black man turn all that oppression and whatnot on its head. For me...I guess I would rather see a cool portal fantasy or something. Like... you would NEVER see a black lead in something like a Final Fantasy game. Instead, you would see black characters in...Blood Syndicate, Black Lightning, Luke Cage, et al. If it's about sports, gangs, crime, prison, slaves, or rap you'll see some black people, but I'm the guy who would have more fun seeing a black lead in a Final Fantasy game, which you would NEVER see.

    John Stewart was/is a breath of fresh air, because here was a black superhero who wasn't involved in all of that stuff (well, he was, but not so much in the depiction of him I discovered). I would be a bit disappointed if he did get a film and it was the same old commentary all over again. One of the things I really appreciated about him was you could simply have a good time with him without HISTORY CRASHING THROUGH YOUR VEINS:
    Black Panther wasn't a story about white supremacy, slaves, prison, drugs and ghettoes. It was about a an African prince who fought to protect his country from foreign and domestic enemies. That's as escapist as you can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    I've always heard that Gotham and Bludhaven are just cities in New Jersey and New York respectively.
    This is the first time I heard that Gotham was in New York. I've always heard that it was in Delaware or Conneticut. Metropolis is usually associated with New York and Bludhaven with New Jersey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    Sometimes. I've heard it said that Metropolis and Gotham are pretty much New York and New Jersey.... Though I've also heard it said that Gotham was New York and Bludhaven was Jersey...

    Which is fine on the surface, but DC earth already has an actual New York and Jersey too so that east coast metropolis is a bit crowded there...
    I always used to think that Metropolis was in Illinois for the longest time but even after that it's pretty much in New York state. Does it really matter if Metropolis is in New York State? There can be multiple big cities in a state.

    I always liked in the JLA/Avengers crossover that it's explained that the DC Earth is physically bigger than the Marvel one and that's why there are more made up cities on the DC earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superduperman View Post
    I actually liked the Justice League movie. And have no desire to see the Snyder cut.
    I liked the movie too. I am not interested in the Snyder Cut . Imo that's the best one we got.

    But if Snyder had made that two parter Justice League, i might be interested. Two films gives more space to tell a full story. JL was bogged down by trying to introduce all the characters in the beginning imo. After the first fight between the League and the villain it picked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king81992 View Post
    This is the first time I heard that Gotham was in New York. I've always heard that it was in Delaware or Conneticut. Metropolis is usually associated with New York and Bludhaven with New Jersey.
    you have it backwards, Gotham is in Jersey and Bludhaven is in New York (or is based on New York it may actually be in Jersey too). I always heard Metropolis was originally based on a 1950's/60's era "the city of tomorrow" style New York but more recently is usually located around the DMV area; I usually just say Metropolis is in Maryland since it's supposed to be close to Gotham, which is in Jersey right next door.

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    iunno if this map is even still canon but according to this, Gotham is in southern New Jersey, and Metropolis is also in Jersey but across the bay, stretching into Delaware. this is before Bludhaven was established so who knows how accurate this still is.
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    This is the first time I heard that Gotham was in New York. I've always heard that it was in Delaware or Conneticut. Metropolis is usually associated with New York and Bludhaven with New Jersey.
    I agree that's reversed from more recent versions. Of course, in the early Detective Comics stories, Batman was actually working in New York, with Gotham coming a smidge later. While I know Gotham and Metropolis are New Jersey and Deleware now, I do still sometimes think of them as sort of alternate New Yorks, just somewhere else geographically. Less so recently, though, when I started trying to figure out the cities, analyzing them in a way that will never work for comic books, just to figure out what wages and rents should be.

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