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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    The Justice League has included the likes of Red Tornado (whose frequent habit of being destroyed is practically a running gag), Hawkman, who's even more useless to the team than Superfriends Aquaman and Green Arrow who I could write an entire essay on what a screw up he is as a human being and a hero and still never scratch the surface.
    The Difference when it comes Hawkman and Green Arrow (and Atom) is, that they were a bigger deal (and less screwed up) back in the 60s when they, joined the League. And they they all joined the League very early and have therefore a quite long history with the League and are almost Founders, which makes them fit all a little better in an than newer characters.

    I also think that the League can work if you have (some of) the Big 6 and a few other characters. The problem with the current League is just that Cyborg is the only "other Character" (or at least was pre No Justice, I have not read the new run sofar).


    Really problematic it only gets imo only with lineups like Justice League Detroid or (that might be controversial) Justice League International, where you have hardly any of the iconic members and a lot of members that are not particularly capable or heroic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    This I can agree with. Cyborg does need better treatment and some top talent to build him up. I'd like to see him become A-List.
    The thing is Cyborg already is A-list. He has been in a great Teen Titans cartoon, Teen Titans go, He is a member of the Justice League in comics,He is member of the Justice League in the movies, He is member of Justice League in animated movies. He has had many solo comic series . There is no list of visibility measurable(well maybe big solo projects) that he doesn't pass except that DC doesn't prioritize him for big roles him like they do say Trinity in stories.

    You don't see him as A-list big gun because the stories don't use him as A-list big gun, If DC tomorrow went Trinity is now the Quartet Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Cyborg. And the next big event is Cyborg War then what would happen? Note I am not saying Cyborg is as popular as those characters I am saying certain component of their popularity is company pushed. Justice League the movie sucked, so Cyborg movie got silently moved from the slate it seems. Green Lantern bombed it the next movie vanished from existence. Batman V Superman was objectively not a good movie and they went hey let us push out a another movie with the same exact tone and director. Justice League bombed and they will still put out a Batman or Superman movie with no issue.For some properties they will keep trying no matter what.The big point is the don't discount the major companies ability to put a character into the spotlight but when clearest role is blocked by the company biggest icon, It is hard to be seen on the same tier. Cyborg could have be DC's Ironman when they put him on the Justice League but we know which character is the "Brain" and gets the intelligence feats. Instead of saying this character isn't top tier character ask why they would do everything they can to reinvent Aquaman but just quit on some characters. Yes Cyborg got "the God push" by DC but guess what stop him from achieving the next level those same big heroes. Imagine a world where Micheal Jordan and other athletes never lose their prime, Do you think Lebron and Kobe gets notice in the same way if Jordan, Magic and Bird was around?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerbee911 View Post
    The thing is Cyborg already is A-list. He has been in a great Teen Titans cartoon, Teen Titans go, He is a member of the Justice League in comics,He is member of the Justice League in the movies, He is member of Justice League in animated movies. He has had many solo comic series . There is no list of visibility measurable(well maybe big solo projects) that he doesn't pass except that DC doesn't prioritize him for big roles him like they do say Trinity in stories.
    They use him a lot, but he has no iconic solo stories, villains, supporting cast or setting. And his solo series sells really poorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aahz View Post
    They use him a lot, but he has no iconic solo stories, villains, supporting cast or setting. And his solo series sells really poorly.
    Replace Cyborg with Martian Manhunter or Hawkman, and this applies x11.

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    I think all the justice league is interchangeable except for batman superman and wonder woman and thats not even true of them all the time
    there's even a song about it called thats what superfriends are for by Mad where all the other heroes say there interchangeable except for the big three
    and thats why they shouldn't call them superfriends then batmans says ok lets call it the justice league
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    also I can see why they picked cyborg over Martian Manhunter or Hawkman because no one outside comic book readers really know who hawkman is and cyborg is one of the most well known black superheros
    he's sort of like dc's black panther black lighting would not have worked that well because no one outside comic readers know who he is and John Stewart wouldn't have worked because he is one of many green lanterns
    cyborg is the only cyborg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aahz View Post
    They use him a lot, but he has no iconic solo stories, villains, supporting cast or setting. And his solo series sells really poorly.
    Cyborg definitely has the exposure but he has yet to build any real hook outside of being a Titan.
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    Black Lightning is becoming more well-known thanks to the TV show. In hindsight, it would have been better to have BL join the original JLA, now that his timeline is changed. Jefferson must have been active back in the day to have kids that are grown or almost grown. Whereas, Vic Stone is still supposed to be young--him being in the first Justice League screws around with the timeline--either he has to be much older now or the JLA has only been active for a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    Black Lightning is becoming more well-known thanks to the TV show. In hindsight, it would have been better to have BL join the original JLA, now that his timeline is changed. Jefferson must have been active back in the day to have kids that are grown or almost grown. Whereas, Vic Stone is still supposed to be young--him being in the first Justice League screws around with the timeline--either he has to be much older now or the JLA has only been active for a few years.

    The DC timeline is a mess.
    That should be DC's new tagline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byrd156 View Post
    That should be DC's new tagline.
    Agree. "DC Comics - we have no official history and the timeline we use is an absolute mess. Buy our comics and be as completely confused as we are"

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    Quote Originally Posted by caj View Post
    Agree. "DC Comics - we have no official history and the timeline we use is an absolute mess. Buy our comics and be as completely confused as we are"
    I really wish our threads had like buttons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byrd156 View Post
    I really wish our threads had like buttons.
    LOL - thanks, I appreciate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    Black Lightning is becoming more well-known thanks to the TV show. In hindsight, it would have been better to have BL join the original JLA, now that his timeline is changed. Jefferson must have been active back in the day to have kids that are grown or almost grown. Whereas, Vic Stone is still supposed to be young--him being in the first Justice League screws around with the timeline--either he has to be much older now or the JLA has only been active for a few years.

    The DC timeline is a mess.
    BL has been young and single with no kids in current continuity since New 52 and could have been a founder instead of Vic if DC wanted to do so at the time.

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    I don't think that many people known about the Black Lightning show I don't really see people talking about it that much teen titans on the other hand gets talked about all the time even if its just people saying that teen titans go is awful and teen titans rules
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    Quote Originally Posted by docmidnite View Post
    BL has been young and single with no kids in current continuity since New 52 . . .
    I have a hard time keeping up.
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