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    Mr. Terrific is smarter than Batman and is interchangeably the smartest man along side Luthor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    Mr. Terrific is smarter than Batman and is interchangeably the smartest man along side Luthor.
    Yes. It surprises me he's not bigger than he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Yes. It surprises me he's not bigger than he is.
    Indeed, he's a terrific character.

    Awful joke aside i really agree, more of him i say, moaaaaaaaaaar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I don't get why people keep adding cuffs to Superman. I think Jim Lee just seems really into them.
    Cuffs and the weird v neck lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    Mr. Terrific is smarter than Batman and is interchangeably the smartest man alongside Luthor.

    The new forces in the Flash are awesome and while people crap on them by making the lazy comparison to the Emotional Spectrum, like the Emotional Spectrum, it was the natural logical step in expanding the speed force as a concept without adding umpteen more speedsters.
    I agree I think Batman is the most cunning and strategic superhero. But I feel inventor types like Mr. Terrific should top him in sheer brainpower. Different types of intelligence and all that. Batman doesn't even make most of his own gadgets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starter Set View Post
    Indeed, he's a terrific character.

    Awful joke aside i really agree, more of him i say, moaaaaaaaaaar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I don't get why people keep adding cuffs to Superman. I think Jim Lee just seems really into them.
    I don't get it either, it's really not necessary and he doesn't need them.
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    I really loathe the idea of Bruce being some kind of hyper genius. He's the world's greatest detective, he doesn't have to be the world's greatest scientist too. It's just....dumb.

    Terrific, Palmer, Magnus, hell half the super villains from the Silver Age, all those guys should have a higher raw IQ than Batman (as well as many characters not mentioned here). Bruce can put the clues together better than anyone but he shouldn't be inventing advanced technologies.

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    I really loathe the idea of Bruce being some kind of hyper genius. He's the world's greatest detective, he doesn't have to be the world's greatest scientist too. It's just....dumb.
    Agree. Also, he should be an absolutely fantastic fighter...but nowhere near the top 20 in the world. Same class as Canary, skill-wise (though much stronger, of course). I do think Bruce needs strong basic science skills (his studying chemistry is golden age old), but more in terms of being able to do the things that crime lab techs do, given the same tools, rather in doing really innovative work. Enough to be able to coutner-act fear-toxin and the like, but ordinary labs should be able to do that, too. No super-genius Tim or Barbara, either, though both are, like Bruce, very intelligent people. Actually, so are Jason and Dick. Most heroes really do have to be pretty intelligent.

    I'm tired of the legacy naming trend. I like generational characters and new ones coming in, but I don't think they all need to use the same names (Superboy, Batgirl, Kid Flash, Aqualad, Wonder Girl, etc.). I've given up on it for Robin, but still sometimes hold out hope that new generations will have new names (I also think it would lead to less fractured fanbase on which the best X or the "real" X). Was optimistic about actual new non-family characters in Beacon (Kathy Branden) or even Maya (who is a Ducard, but he's sort of like Cluemaster - not that important). Not that I don't like the third and fourth "generation" speedsters, supers, etc. - it just get repetitive that it's so much the same set every generation. I'd just like more variety. Both Maya and Kathy seem to have been dropped, though.

    Detective Chimp and Ralph Dibny should both rank near Batman in the detective-skill-athon. He may be the world's greatest detective, but they're still both excellent, and should be treated as such.

    Ralph Dibny and Terrence Thirteen are both much better as intelligent, capable characters than jokes.

    Superboy (Kon-El) was better when he had neither Kryptonian nor Luthor DNA.

    The in-universe mocking of superhero costuming conventions: trunks (without or without leg covering) capes, etc. is really annoying. It was a little funny the first time. The first time was long, long ago now.

    I prefer "Changeling" to "Beast Boy" as a code name, and prefer his old design without prominent canines or pointed ears. He just looked like a green person.

    I prefer Talia as a villain - or at least self-serving and willing to hurt others to that end. It was how I was first exposed to her, and of course that makes an impact. Not as bad as Morrison's run, but not good. She was "gray" in the old days - she helped sometimes (saved Bruce and kid prince, I think), but also participated in framing Bruce for murder, was seemingly a party to Dick's kidnapping, amnesia-drugged someone, and seemed perfectly fine with Bruce being forcibly married to her. Her turn around in the end really didn't work for me (though admittedly not as bad as amnesiac-flight-attendant). I really enjoyed the hostility with her and Dick, even back in that era.

    I like Barbara 5+ years older than Dick. Seven is fine. Apparently not a popular option among DickBabs shippers (and I am one). But since they don't date until he's grown, it's not an issue.

    I deeply dislike Batgirl: Year One, and, in fact, dislike the entire post-COIE retconning of Barbara into one of Bruce's proteges. Dislike him training her, etc.

    I prefer Clark never be Superboy. Some like him with Legion. But since I've never been able to get into Superboy (I did try reading some), I never got into them. It is thematically good to me that Superman be the world's first Superhero. It's much braver and riskier and such if he doesn't know, even subconsciously, that he will succeed and be beloved before he does it. Also, I disliked post-COIE setting Wonder Woman up as a rookie compared to Batman and Superman. Making both Wonder Woman and Batman rookies to Superman's experienced hero, rather than having them all on the same level, is not my preferred set up.

    I don't hate pre-COIE Terry Long. I mean, I don't love the guy, but don't hate him. And I do think he may have gotten character-assassinated to further the change in status quo for Donna. Can't be sure, since I haven't read anything with him between 1990 and his death, and it may have gradually grown, but he was nothing like that before.

    I don't think rebooting Tana Moon as a teenager is the best resolution to the creepiness of her relationship with Superboy. It removes the most interesting use of the character to me (the specific contrast between her and Knockout and how they treat Kon is my favorite element, and something I think only works with both of them as grown women). That transitions to: I thought Tana started out well, but fizzled as a character, whereas Toxy started out as a stock character improved (and then, of course, both disappeared only for Roxy's career to end up ruined by her father's actions and Tana brought back only to be murdered in a storyline that is even poorer after the recons on Kon's history).


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    I really don't like how Zatanna's main costume is now purely the Justice League Dark look. That costume fits the eerie, horror, and serious vibe of that series but it takes all the razzle dazzle and flamboyance that I feel is part of the character. It was the same problem with her New 52 look.

    I was also really disappointed that Tynion had her wearing it for her show in the beginning of the series. Like, if she's going to wear her traditional look for anything, it would be a show.

    It makes me wonder if in the next few years they're going to try and take away Black Canary's fishnets again.
    Quote Originally Posted by mathew101281 View Post
    I agree I think Batman is the most cunning and strategic superhero. But I feel inventor types like Mr. Terrific should top him in sheer brainpower. Different types of intelligence and all that. Batman doesn't even make most of his own gadgets.
    He used to, though.

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    It makes me wonder if in the next few years they're going to try and take away Black Canary's fishnets again.
    Reminds me of another one - I actually really like her opaque fishnetty stocking look more than the real fishnets that came later. And prefer her butt covered. I don't mind a leotard look at all. Just one with some seat coverage (and that she's not falling out of up top).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzigone View Post

    Also, I disliked post-COIE setting Wonder Woman up as a rookie compared to Batman and Superman. Making both Wonder Woman and Batman rookies to Superman's experienced hero, rather than having them all on the same level, is not my preferred set up.
    The gap in experience was very minor to non-existent post-COIE honestly. Aside from some growing pains in understanding the rest of the world, she wasnít treated as lesser than Superman or Batman.

    I don't hate pre-COIE Terry Long. I mean, I don't love the guy, but don't hate him. And I do think he may have gotten character-assassinated to further the change in status quo for Donna. Can't be sure, since I haven't read anything with him between 1990 and his death, and it may have gradually grown, but he was nothing like that before.
    Terry was always problematic from the fact that he was Donnaís college professor when they started dating to him hitting on Kory right in front of Donna. I donít think he was character assassinated so much as DC just realized all the issues with him.

    I don't think rebooting Tana Moon as a teenager is the best resolution to the creepiness of her relationship with Superboy. It removes the most interesting use of the character to me (the specific contrast between her and Knockout and how they treat Kon is my favorite element, and something I think only works with both of them as grown women).
    I donít think you need to have them both be adults to see the difference between how they treat Kon. One genuinely cares for him the other was trying to make him a villain.

    Actually, Iíll add that portraying Knockout as a femme fatale was pointless given sheís a New God strong enough to fight a Kryptonian and thatís more interesting than another seductress.

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    Terry was always problematic from the fact that he was Donna’s college professor when they started dating to him hitting on Kory right in front of Donna. I don’t think he was character assassinated so much as DC just realized all the issues with him.
    He was not Donna's history professor. Donna was not a college student at all (at least not during that era), but was already a professional photographer. She said he didn't know how old she was at first. This is not the first time I've seen the idea he was her teacher, and I'd like to know where the idea comes from - was it retconned in later? I'd really like a source on it. Or to find out if it's fanon like Stephanie-Brown-raised-in-poverty-in-Crime-Alley when she really had a house in suburbs.
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    And he made a comment about Kory's looks at one time and kissed her hand another, but did not actually hit on her (I found those comments somewhere from cheesy-to-skeevy, but everyone else seemed to find them charming) that I recall - he was not trying to get anywhere with her. Now, Roy hit on Kory, even though he knew she was dating Dick. I found that distateful, too, but that's just the way it went. Same with sexual harassment from Gar and Kory (towards Dick early on when he said he wasn't interested). There was a 10 year age gap, but there was 8 years between Vic and Sarah Charles, and they are adults. Not my preferred age gap on fictional couples, but hardly earth-shattering. Maybe less than Bruce and Talia.

    I don’t think you need to have them both be adults to see the difference between how they treat Kon. One genuinely cares for him the other was trying to make him a villain.
    Doesn't work for me. It was a significant plot point that Superboy thought Tana treated him like a kid - he even talked about her calling him "Kid." That entire dynamic falls flat to me if Tana is a teenager - he cannot reasonably perceive her to be treating him like a child if she is his peer. I get that it doesn't matter to you, but that's a really, really important part for me. As I said, it's the most interesting part of Tana's storyline for me. Elsewise, she's just a generic reporter - nothing wrong with her, but nothing stand out, either.
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    That's the biggie to me - not that Tana is good and Knockout evil. But how he perceived the treatment from each of them in terms of how they treated him. One who told him to study and one who told him to have fun. One for whom sex was very much on the table (only convenient interruptions stopped it from going that far) and one for whom it was not. Not that it was all about getting laid for Kon - I mean, he could have found someone to sleep with him easily enough. But that he perceived Knockout as treating him as an equal and "adult" and respecting him instead of talking down to him. And of course that was completely wrong. He read into her what he wanted to see - she didn't even pretend to be good. But the thing is for me, when he's on that edge and choosing between them (ultimately choosing Knockout), they need to both be adults for that storyline to play out like it did. And I liked how it played out a lot. My fix for a reboot might actually be less romantic involvement from Tana. Maybe a kiss when he was going to die, then a withdrawal from him after he got better. Seeing him with another grown woman when Knockout pursues might really drive home to Tana that despite any attraction, this is not something to be pursued. And then that would further exaggerate him thinking Tana perceives him as a kid (which she would and should, though she still respects him, actually).

    But if you want them more involved, his post-stopped-aging insecurities also work a bit better with Tana as adult, too.
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    Terry was always problematic from the fact that he was Donna’s college professor when they started dating to him hitting on Kory right in front of Donna. I don’t think he was character assassinated so much as DC just realized all the issues with him.
    Honestly, i wonder why people keep making this assumption, Terry wasn't Donna's teacher, she wasn't even in college during NTT, she had a job, in fact i'm almost sure that one of his actual students did hit on him and he felt uncomfortable. As for Starfire, i remember him comenting in her beauty (wich every male in that series did at some point or another) but not actual flirting. I'm not a fan of Terry, but some people make him look worse than he actually was, i like Gar and Roy far more than him and i think that their attitude toward women in that run was way more problematic than anything than Terry did, for that matter Raven actions were more problematic that anything that Terry did.
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    My problem with Terry is that he was a self-insert. Never been a fan of those in any sort of media, particularly when they are put in to be a love interest.

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