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  1. #1396
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    I stopped going to the CW show threads on the film/TV forum, because it seems like most of the posters go there to complain about the shows rather than appreciate them.

    I'm so tired off all that. The CW is a smaller network, with a small budget, that serves a certain demographic. I don't like all their content--I hated the RIVERDALE pilot and never bothered with it after that, but it's highly popular with its audience. Expecting CW shows to be what you get from the movies or from the DCU service will always mean that you don't get what you want. If you don't like it fine, but leave it at that. The constant attacks on the CW shows for being the kind of animal that they need to be is unfair.

    If it wasn't for COIE coming up I doubt I'd be watching all the shows right now--usually I binge them--the only show I want to follow from week to week is THE FLASH. For me that show is just good entertainment--the season long stories might not always be the best (with season 3 being my least favourite), but most of the individual episodes are fun. But even if none of the shows were serving my interest, I wouldn't hold that against the CW for following its business model.

    The thing that really burns me right now is all this backlash against BATWOMAN on social media. The people attacking it are attacking it as if it was a major motion picture rather than a small series on a struggling network. And they seem to be attacking the very reason for Batwoman even existing in the Batman's world--which, if that's their issue, they should have addressed years ago when the character was first introduced--not now years and years later when Batwoman has become an established DC property.

    Personally, I thought the BATWOMAN pilot episode was weak with too much exposition (especially through voiceover) and the second episode isn't that much better, with still more exposition rather than relying on the characters to relay the story through their actions. I wish they had tried to be more like BLACK LIGHTNING or ARROW in their first seasons--which both were gritty and let the mystery unfold throughout the season, rather being rushed.

    But the people attacking the show aren't attacking it because of some poor execution of the pilot--they're attacking its perceived political identity. When it comes to politics, BLACK LIGHTHING is far more direct and extreme in its messaging than either SUPERGIRL or BATWOMAN--so why is it the female led shows that get all the backlash?

    For all the admitted inadequacies of the CW, they have satisfied more of my DC nerd-desires than anything else in live action that I can think of. And for that they have my support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    I stopped going to the CW show threads on the film/TV forum, because it seems like most of the posters go there to complain about the shows rather than appreciate them.

    I'm so tired off all that. The CW is a smaller network, with a small budget, that serves a certain demographic. I don't like all their content--I hated the RIVERDALE pilot and never bothered with it after that, but it's highly popular with its audience. Expecting CW shows to be what you get from the movies or from the DCU service will always mean that you don't get what you want. If you don't like it fine, but leave it at that. The constant attacks on the CW shows for being the kind of animal that they need to be is unfair.

    If it wasn't for COIE coming up I doubt I'd be watching all the shows right now--usually I binge them--the only show I want to follow from week to week is THE FLASH. For me that show is just good entertainment--the season long stories might not always be the best (with season 3 being my least favourite), but most of the individual episodes are fun. But even if none of the shows were serving my interest, I wouldn't hold that against the CW for following its business model.

    The thing that really burns me right now is all this backlash against BATWOMAN on social media. The people attacking it are attacking it as if it was a major motion picture rather than a small series on a struggling network. And they seem to be attacking the very reason for Batwoman even existing in the Batman's world--which, if that's their issue, they should have addressed years ago when the character was first introduced--not now years and years later when Batwoman has become an established DC property.

    Personally, I thought the BATWOMAN pilot episode was weak with too much exposition (especially through voiceover) and the second episode isn't that much better, with still more exposition rather than relying on the characters to relay the story through their actions. I wish they had tried to be more like BLACK LIGHTNING or ARROW in their first seasons--which both were gritty and let the mystery unfold throughout the season, rather being rushed.

    But the people attacking the show aren't attacking it because of some poor execution of the pilot--they're attacking its perceived political identity. When it comes to politics, BLACK LIGHTHING is far more direct and extreme in its messaging than either SUPERGIRL or BATWOMAN--so why is it the female led shows that get all the backlash?

    For all the admitted inadequacies of the CW, they have satisfied more of my DC nerd-desires than anything else in live action that I can think of. And for that they have my support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    When it comes to politics, BLACK LIGHTHING is far more direct and extreme in its messaging than either SUPERGIRL or BATWOMAN--so why is it the female led shows that get all the backlash?
    Because some idiots still think it's 1942 and women belong in the kitchen. And online, no one knows your real name so they feel like they can be as douche-y as they want to be.

    Comic fandom.....I mean, I'm here so I'm a part of fandom too, but a whole lot of people have this crazy entitlement attitude towards these characters, as if they're the gatekeepers of not only which characters can exist, but of what kind of person can enjoy them. Our community can be toxic as hell, and that goes across the political spectrum. The people on the left, the SJW's, are just as bad as the people on the extreme right these days, and everyone has an idea about what and who can be published and anyone who disagrees is clearly a monster.

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