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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino_Dare-Doll View Post
    They actually had an issue touch on this in Bronze age! She and the original Batwoman (A precursor character to Kate) teamed up and discussed the possibility now that Batwoman had been retired for a while; Barbara actually opted to keep Batgirl because, basically, she liked it. And ya know, I respect that! I think womanhood is defined by more than just name or even attitude; it's experience!
    And I think it was an editorial response to fans' criticism of a grown woman using "girl" when all the men (Superman, Batman, etc.) used "man." Heck, as soon as Dick went to college they called him "teen wonder" instead of "boy wonder" because of connotation, I think. And while we do use "boys' night out" and the like, there is a very different connotation to referring to a man as "a boy" and a woman as "a girl." Pretty much no one says "there's a boy at the office who ..." But using girl in any sort of professional context (and I do rather consider their heroing jobs that way) doesn't work for me at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzigone View Post
    And I think it was an editorial response to fans' criticism of a grown woman using "girl" when all the men (Superman, Batman, etc.) used "man."
    I think you hit the nail on the head.

    It seems like pretty transparent reasoning the keep calling her "girl" when in the bronze age she was at least 25.
    Kara similarly should have started to be called Superwoman at some point, as she was around Babs's age if not a little bit younger.

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    It's telling that no one had a problem with calling Peter Parker and Bobby Drake Spider-Man and Iceman respectively when they were teenagers but we have to jump through hoops to keep Barbara and Karen as Batgirl and Powergirl long after they've aged out of those names.

    Hell, was Karen even a teenager when she debuted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    It's telling that no one had a problem with calling Peter Parker and Bobby Drake Spider-Man and Iceman respectively when they were teenagers but we have to jump through hoops to keep Barbara and Karen as Batgirl and Powergirl long after they've aged out of those names.

    Hell, was Karen even a teenager when she debuted?
    Yes. The gimmick was that she was a teenager on Krypton when Clark was a baby, but her voyage involved suspended animation so she showed up at the same age as when Krypton exploded.

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    Batgirl should have stayed Oracle and passed the mantle, Powergirl should get a new moniker, but Power woman is kind of clunky and doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathew101281 View Post
    Batgirl should have stayed Oracle and passed the mantle, Powergirl should get a new moniker, but Power woman is kind of clunky and doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue.
    Powerella? Power Lady? Poweria? Pow-Pow? Kryptonia? Ultra Woman? Superia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Powerella? Power Lady? Poweria? Pow-Pow? Kryptonia? Ultra Woman? Superia?
    To be honest with you, much like how she seems to be tied to jokes about her bust/boob window, I think Kara is savvy enough to know no name change will really stick and probably doesn't care to change it. Much like her teammate Alan Scott, nobody really wanted to call him "Sentinel" and was waiting out his insistence of it so they could call him GL again. Especially when under Jimmy and Amanda's pen, she's both very aware and over what people think about her and her colleagues. You could argue that it's going to be sad referring to herself as "Power Girl" in her thirties, but frankly she's never going to get that old outside Elseworlds so it seems like addressing a problem we won't really need to deal with. I don't think Nightwing is ever going to be older than 28, usually 23-25 and I imagine Kara is about there as well.
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    You could argue that it's going to be sad referring to herself as "Power Girl" in her thirties, but frankly she's never going to get that old outside Elseworlds so it seems like addressing a problem we won't really need to deal with.
    I agree she won't get that old. But to me, characters should never act like they know they are in a work of fiction. They should not make decisions based on the idea that time will never pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzigone View Post
    I agree she won't get that old. But to me, characters should never act like they know they are in a work of fiction. They should not make decisions based on the idea that time will never pass.
    A little winking at the fourth wall is okay. Occasionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzigone View Post
    I agree she won't get that old. But to me, characters should never act like they know they are in a work of fiction. They should not make decisions based on the idea that time will never pass.
    I think it's more that she may still think "girl" is applicable. Not that "woman" isn't per se, but it's possible she hasn't hit that point where she thinks she must change it because holding on to "girl" would be sad. The character will age, or at least as far as she knows, but functionally it won't happen because DC isn't going to advance Kara into her thirties.

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    The Paul Kupperberg DOOM PATROL was much better than Grant Morrison's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaijudo View Post
    The Paul Kupperberg DOOM PATROL was much better than Grant Morrison's.
    Uh, that's pretty controversial, for sure!
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    I liked Ted, and even Booster, better in each of their '80s solo series than I did in their Justice League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Powerella? Power Lady? Poweria? Pow-Pow? Kryptonia? Ultra Woman? Superia?
    Generally I agree with the sentiment that female characters should be allowed to leave "Girl" behind, or jump straight to "Woman" just like their male peers. Or have a name that isn't gender specific. Or whatever the hell. They're (fictional) people, just as varied and individual as the other half of the planet's population, so just do what's honest for the character in question.

    But in Karen's case I think it's okay to let her stick to "Girl." Yeah, she's a successful, grown ass woman in her 30's who owns and runs a big company. She's a full-blown adult and everything. But she's also a fun character who's not above some rueful, self-depreciating satire or poking a stick at the genre's troupes. Jeez guys, respect her right to feel like a girl at heart! She's not that old, she can still get away with it.
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    Anti-Snyder/DCEU fans are every bit as toxic as the Snyder/DCEU fans. The only difference is the former got what they wanted.

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