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    Quote Originally Posted by king81992 View Post
    The YJ cartoon problem is too many characters and too much focus on relationship drama.
    The expansive cast is both one of YJ's greatest strengths and also it's biggest weakness. You just have too many characters to adequately focus on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king81992 View Post
    The YJ cartoon problem is too many characters and too much focus on relationship drama.
    The relationship drama is nowhere near as focused on people keep saying.

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    I guess a YJ show controversial opinion I have is that I wasn't particularly bothered by it's original cancellation/cliffhanger ending. Granted I watched it years after the show had it had been cancelled so I knew it was coming but I was mostly satisfied with the two seasons (even thought season 2 was mostly a step down) and haven't really had a desire to watch the new season.

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    I expected more pushback for my last post. Fine, I'll really go for it this time.

    Two-Face is Batman's best, most interesting enemy and provides the best conflict for Bruce. A former friend and legal crusader who fell, but always remains inside the monster we see before us. He'll always be just present enough that Bruce wants to save his soul, but he can never do it. He reflects a lot of trappings Bruce himself does (dual identities, trauma causing his start of darkness, an all-consuming obsession that reels him back in even when he gets out momentarily) and overall presents the most material to work with. Killer design, too.

    The Joker has been ruined by his significance to fans turning him into some plot device instead of a character, and it has lead to lazier writing with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    The relationship drama is nowhere near as focused on people keep saying.
    It's a teenage superhero story, those are always about relationship drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathew101281 View Post
    It's a teenage superhero story, those are always about relationship drama.
    The extent to which it happens for YJ is greatly exaggerated.

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    The people who are whining about the Snyder Cut "rewarding bullying campaigns" are hypocrites of the highest level as they had nothing to say about people calling for Snyder to be sued, the misogynistic insults directed as Amy Adams and Gal Gadot, people calling for snyder's death, mocking his daughter's suicide etc.

    Preferring light hearted stories over darker ones does not make you more moral than anyone else.

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    My controversial opinion, Young Justice Season 2 is better than season’s one and three. Two finally gave us the actual YJ generation, though it’s still practically a Titans show. Only missing Starfire and Raven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    The relationship drama is nowhere near as focused on people keep saying.
    I don't think it's all that different from the comics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    I expected more pushback for my last post. Fine, I'll really go for it this time.

    Two-Face is Batman's best, most interesting enemy and provides the best conflict for Bruce. A former friend and legal crusader who fell, but always remains inside the monster we see before us. He'll always be just present enough that Bruce wants to save his soul, but he can never do it. He reflects a lot of trappings Bruce himself does (dual identities, trauma causing his start of darkness, an all-consuming obsession that reels him back in even when he gets out momentarily) and overall presents the most material to work with. Killer design, too.

    The Joker has been ruined by his significance to fans turning him into some plot device instead of a character, and it has lead to lazier writing with him.

    Fight me.
    I think the Joker can still be really entertaining and effective when done well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Samm View Post
    My controversial opinion, Young Justice Season 2 is better than season’s one and three. Two finally gave us the actual YJ generation, though it’s still practically a Titans show. Only missing Starfire and Raven.
    And season 3 gave us the closest to a Young Justice team without calling them Young Justice and disconnecting Conner from his entire generation.

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    I think Batman's best and most fascinating villain is probably the Ventriloquist. I don't think the Alan Grant Detective Comics run gets the credit it deserves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Savior View Post
    I think Batman's best and most fascinating villain is probably the Ventriloquist.
    I'm a fan of that one too. Always done best when they leave you wondering whether he's unhinged, or running scam so he can cop a competency plea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    I expected more pushback for my last post. Fine, I'll really go for it this time.

    Two-Face is Batman's best, most interesting enemy and provides the best conflict for Bruce. A former friend and legal crusader who fell, but always remains inside the monster we see before us. He'll always be just present enough that Bruce wants to save his soul, but he can never do it. He reflects a lot of trappings Bruce himself does (dual identities, trauma causing his start of darkness, an all-consuming obsession that reels him back in even when he gets out momentarily) and overall presents the most material to work with. Killer design, too.

    The Joker has been ruined by his significance to fans turning him into some plot device instead of a character, and it has lead to lazier writing with him.

    Fight me.
    I can vibe with this.

    To me it's Ras or Bane, but you make a damn fine argument. Damn fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    Darkseid needs to go to sleep for five-to-ten years. There's two threat levels in DC now. Lex/Joker and Darkseid. No in between. It's made the DCU a very shallow place. Put Darkseid to bed and really build him up again. He's the end boss of every DC story these days and I'm so tired of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Lex and Joker should probably be given a break as well.
    Are these controversial? I agree, both Darkseid and Joker should be given a break, and probably Luthor too at this point.

    I was gung-ho for Luthor during the "Good Lex" arc early on in Rebirth, but they never went as far with it as I wanted. My ideal version of retiring Luthor would be to make him a good guy until the next reboot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    I expected more pushback for my last post. Fine, I'll really go for it this time.

    Two-Face is Batman's best, most interesting enemy and provides the best conflict for Bruce. A former friend and legal crusader who fell, but always remains inside the monster we see before us. He'll always be just present enough that Bruce wants to save his soul, but he can never do it. He reflects a lot of trappings Bruce himself does (dual identities, trauma causing his start of darkness, an all-consuming obsession that reels him back in even when he gets out momentarily) and overall presents the most material to work with. Killer design, too.

    The Joker has been ruined by his significance to fans turning him into some plot device instead of a character, and it has lead to lazier writing with him.

    Fight me.
    Sorry mate, you're right. Two-Face is underrated and a truly great character, and Joker just isn't that cool anymore. Nothing to fight over.

    Although I feel like you get bonus points for somehow managing to make me feel like I just dunked on you by agreeing with you. It's kind of a nice feeling, honestly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by king81992 View Post
    The YJ cartoon problem is too many characters and too much focus on relationship drama.
    I can get the accusation, and I’ll admit I think it had argumentative merit, but my controversial opinion comes from the opposite end:

    Young Justice, even as overstuffed and limited in time to tell the story as it is, is vastly superior to both the entire DCAU that began with Justice League: War and ended with that Justice League Dark: Apokilips War movie... and the vast bulk of DC’s general comic output from the New 52 on.

    For me, the thing that “proves” that is how much I’ve realized I want more stuff set in the Young Justice universe, and even on characters who I don’t care about in other media; the show being overstuffed and making me want to see more and more stuff that they keep moving past is a problem, but a problem that I’m sure some producers would love to have.

    I mean, they sold me on Arsenal without an arm after I was convinced that Rise of Arsenal had disproved that idea’s feasibility, have me actually engrossed and buying in on the drama of stuff like Clone Roy and Cheshire’s marriage when I hate the “drama” and stuff in the CW shows, have me actually impressed, intimidated, and fascinated by Vandal Savage when I usually considered him an also-ran immortal villain, made Sportsmaster of all poeple an awesome villain to have guest-Star in an episode, and managed to establish a Bat-family that includes the four male Robins and three Batgirls (with only Bette maybe not counting, o else it would be four Batgirls as well).

    There were times with the New 52 and the movie set where I dropped multiple books or even desired their cancellation because I thought they were becoming liabilities to the brand, or where they seemed to take one step back for every step forward with the movies.

    In contrast, the solution I see to most disgruntled Young Justice fans is ... they need to produce more Young Justice stuff.

    I mean, if Greg Weisman were the overseer for a dozen books set in the Young Justice universe... I think there’s a strong chance they might outlast a bunch of their counterparts in the mainline.
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    I actually just ordered the Blu Ray set for season 2 since I never got around to finishing it. I've been in a Weisman mood since I'm showing my roommates Gargoyles, with Spectacular Spider-Man also on the list.

    I think it being overcrowded and disliking some of the interpretations of the characters makes it the weakest Weisman show for me personally, but it's still pretty damn good overall. If Weisman tackled an individual DC property for a cartoon I'd give it a chance in a heart beat, especially Wonder Woman. Helps that I'm craving good DC content, and the comics currently aren't doing much

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