Then even better still I’d rather just have Nobu as Dr. Fate. I feel like it ruins good characters to have their only importance be playing host to some entity, it’s cool that the Nelson family is heavily involved but they all sort of lose their own identities when they put on the helmet. Take The Spectre for example, the other heroes can tell when it’s not Jim Corrigan, that’s the way it should be.
as far as I know many of them turned sides later on as well flash was one of the characters i believe. Blind believer isn't what happened. People can agree to moral position and disagree with other position of leaders or even the execution of certain things.Green Lantern also turned sides as well.
Yet,batman ending is seen as canon.Also,first game and second game basically implies batman can take out superman .supergirl became Robin.
As for shazam being heat vision.the guy wasn't even in captain marvel form.I see nothing wrong with that.As for Wonder Woman as mcbeth,that's bad.Atleast,ww has agency.Superman is a tool(then again many times modern superman in general is just a tool of his parents,Lois..etc.he has no agency).it is not as bad as a wimp who goes of the rails because one bad day with dead girlfriend(superman rarely cried about his city and his colleagues).some punking out, freaking Alfred beats the crap out of Superman.
Finally,he is freaking superman. He is up there in power hierarchy. There is nothing that states superman wouldn't able to go toe to toe with these guys or kill them.it is not like batman or Hatley situation where so called Street heroes punch galactus.
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Oh Jesus wept. Yeah, "Good" Superman doesn't sound like it helped the situation all that much if that is the case.
It does sound like the comics tried to get around it by offering half assed excuses for Superman and Wonder Woman, but far more people play the games than read the comics so it's a bit moot.
I think Zero Punctuation summed it up best re: Wonder Woman in his review of Injustice 2:
"Wonder Woman has precisely none of Superman's motivation for turning evil...but does so anyway with twice the gusto."
I'm not arguing power levels or that Superman could or couldn't beat any of them in a fight. I'm stating they are other characters in Injustice, between the knuckle draggers at NRS and lousy writers like Taylor, who got far more of a raw deal than Superman and often they're raw deal being directly to Superman's benefit.
Yeah, it sucks Superman's big AAA videogame appearances the past decade is as some C-grade Darth Vader wannabe. It sucks even more characters who have far less opportunities than he has had also got tossed under the bus for Superman, Batman, and Harley's benefit.
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Yes it did. That they turned on him later on doesn't change that.
By who?Yet,batman ending is seen as canon.
The first game had Batman losing the war to the regime and needing help from a Justice League of another universe. Even they didn't actually win until the good Superman got involvedAlso,first game and second game basically implies batman can take out superman
I thought we were talking about Superman being a jobber?.supergirl became Robin.
Yes he was. Did you actually play the game's story mode?As for shazam being heat vision.the guy wasn't even in captain marvel form.
So are Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern and Black Adam. Yet he beats all of them.Finally,he is freaking superman. He is up there in power hierarchy.
Are you actually following this conversation? You're responding to things no one is saying.There is nothing that states superman wouldn't able to go toe to toe with these guys or kill them.
Is it really getting tossed under the bus for his benefit if the narrative is still making him a villain?
I agree that Wonder Woman for example definitely has it worse, and other characters have overall less good stuff to fall back on than he does (though WW and Aquaman currently have movies that are actually good to fall back on). But he's still the most visible villain in the story, and it really leaves not much for anyone to be happy about. I think a lot of Superman fans are chiefly going to be upset about the raw deal he gets (natch(, but they can be aware other characters get it just as bad if not worse and aren't necessarily fine with their treatment either.
YMMV situation but I like I think graded on a curve Superman's one of the better handled characters in Injustice (inasmuch there's any character handled well in the franchise) as they at least try to explain how he got from Point A to Point Z. I don't really think they (games or comics) did it well at all so I think Superman fans are right to criticize that but more effort/thought was at least afforded to him than others who all pretty much lineup and lose any agency.
But like you said earlier, it's all about kissing Batman's (and Harley and Joker's) butts at the end of the day.