Your DC-Only controversial opinions (part II)...

[CosmiComic]

Well, street level crime still happens to this day, so I think it's still fairly relevant.

Yeah, but it's not exaclty the copaganda style crime that plagues Gotham. There's a lotof underreported crime against marginalized people but it doesn't fit the "bank robber" type villain

But those abilities come about through speed. Just an incredibly heightened sense of speed.

I guess I don't agree because others with heightened speed at similar levels don't do what flash can

[DrNewGod]

I can't agree. There needs to be some crime, I agree - that's what's there for them to fight. Them living in Utopia would be a boring story. But I really dislike the hellscape Gotham, cursed to failure that never improves. Makes everything they do futile...

I agree that the setting need not be a place that has you asking "why in the divinity would any sane human live there?" However, in an orderly society that keeps the causes and actions of crime minimized, there's probably not a motive to take up vigilante work. We do disagree that a persistent crime problem makes a hero's efforts futile: every murder, rape or assault averted makes somebody's life better.

[Frontier]

Yeah, but it's not exaclty the copaganda style crime that plagues Gotham. There's a lotof underreported crime against marginalized people but it doesn't fit the "bank robber" type villain

I assume they deal with those too.

I guess I don't agree because others with heightened speed at similar levels don't do what flash can

But, being that The Flash specializes it, I think it makes sense he would be able to use it in a way they can't.

But it's not like he has speed and, like, the ability to phase through stuff because the only reason he has the ability to phase through stuff is because he's super fast.

[Stanlos]

I assume they deal with those too.

But, being that The Flash specializes it, I think it makes sense he would be able to use it in a way they can't.

But it's not like he has speed and, like, the ability to phase through stuff because the only reason he has the ability to phase through stuff is because he's super fast.

I agree. As a specialist he is going to have an array of speed focused tricks that MOST other superfast heroes will not have mastered having likely never had to learn. In addition, there may be physical mechanics that the speed force enables. I live for those distinctions

[Stanlos]

Speed force users also have other abilities like intangibility and time travel. So i don't think WW need to be nerfed to make Flash look good

But you say that while in the same breath ignoring that Superman, the Wonder Woman, and the good Captain have used their speed to time travel as well. I feel like this happens way too and we see it with the nonpowered set a lot. For example, everyone touts Lex's or Bats intelligence and extrapolate the crap out of it while outright IGNORING the trait for Supes, WW, and Cap. I am not on that train.

[SuperX]

Human intelligence shouldn't Trump kryptonian intelligence, but can have more ingenuity in using what they have Imo.

Speed force users are not just speedsters, they are cosmic energy welders.

Conner Kent should have DNA memory, as in thru his DNA have some of Clark and Lex's memories. They started it in the new 52,but brought it to the Titans show and made it really work there.

[Stanlos]

Human intelligence shouldn't Trump kryptonian intelligence, but can have more ingenuity in using what they have Imo.

Speed force users are not just speedsters, they are cosmic energy welders.

He said, extrapolating the crap out of Flash's powers. Meanwhile, the powers, traits, abilities if Supes, WoWo, and Cap are downplayed and even culled.

In any event such is neither here nor there, as I was speaking of the unique ways the speed force would enable speedsters to use their powers

[CosmiComic]

I assume they deal with those too.

Perhaps they do but I haven't seen a lot of comics where they do. Maybe that's on me. But mostly I just see the whole "crime is everywhere, no one is safe" attitude leading law enforcement and governments to use excessive force, although mostly on specific demographics

But, being that The Flash specializes it, I think it makes sense he would be able to use it in a way they can't.

But it's not like he has speed and, like, the ability to phase through stuff because the only reason he has the ability to phase through stuff is because he's super fast.

But you say that while in the same breath ignoring that Superman, the Wonder Woman, and the good Captain have used their speed to time travel as well. I feel like this happens way too and we see it with the nonpowered set a lot. For example, everyone touts Lex's or Bats intelligence and extrapolate the crap out of it while outright IGNORING the trait for Supes, WW, and Cap. I am not on that train.

I guess if you put it like that. Although I personally don't recall when Wonder Woman did that. But hasn't that version of Superman been criticized for being overpowered?

[Agent Z]

He said, extrapolating the crap out of Flash's powers. Meanwhile, the powers, traits, abilities if Supes, WoWo, and Cap are downplayed and even culled.

In any event such is neither here nor there, as I was speaking of the unique ways the speed force would enable speedsters to use their powers

They haven't downplayed Superman's powers since the 90s, if they ever actually did that at all. It wasn't that long ago we had him momentarily take Atlas's place as the supporter of the heavens.

[Stanlos]

Perhaps they do but I haven't seen a lot of comics where they do. Maybe that's on me. But mostly I just see the whole "crime is everywhere, no one is safe" attitude leading law enforcement and governments to use excessive force, although mostly on specific demographics





I guess if you put it like that. Although I personally don't recall when Wonder Woman did that. But hasn't that version of Superman been criticized for being overpowered?

I don't know about versions and can't really speak on that. But I will say that I don't buy the overpowered argument for Supes (or the other two born of that era). They were can do style characters. Even looking outside the details of the intent and letter of their designs, the argument still dies when you consider that detractors are forever hurling the overpowered claim while saying how much more powerful X specialist is. Wonder Woman can't operate a faregate on the Metro but Batman reverse engineers New God tech in a couple days. Superman doesn't know quantum physics but Luthor creates life and imbues it with powers to rival Alpha class heroes.

#No.

[Stanlos]

They haven't downplayed Superman's powers since the 90s, if they ever actually did that at all. It wasn't that long ago we had him momentarily take Atlas's place as the supporter of the heavens.

Fans, posters, and writers alike constantly downplay his powers.

[Tzigone]

when you consider that detractors are forever hurling the overpowered claim while saying how much more powerful X specialist is. Wonder Woman can't operate a faregate on the Metro but Batman reverse engineers New God tech in a couple days. Superman doesn't know quantum physics but Luthor creates life and imbues it with powers to rival Alpha class heroes.

I hate Batgod and Lexgod (so very much) and don't want Superman moving planets or Wonder Woman as a goddess. I have advocated for numerous persons to be less powerful (and, excepting Jon, all were ones I wanted taken back to prior canon level of power, not made less powerful than when created), and I do not think I have ever called for a character to be made more powerful. Wouldn't swear to it, though. So there are some of us detractors who aren't just trying to downplay non-faves.

[CosmiComic]

I don't know about versions and can't really speak on that. But I will say that I don't buy the overpowered argument for Supes (or the other two born of that era). They were can do style characters. Even looking outside the details of the intent and letter of their designs, the argument still dies when you consider that detractors are forever hurling the overpowered claim while saying how much more powerful X specialist is. Wonder Woman can't operate a faregate on the Metro but Batman reverse engineers New God tech in a couple days. Superman doesn't know quantum physics but Luthor creates life and imbues it with powers to rival Alpha class heroes.

#No.

I don't think he's generally overpowered. Idk if he needs time travel as an ability

[SiegePerilous02]

I wouldn't want the feats Superman and Wonder Woman perform to be at the cartoonish levels they were at in the Silver Age, but I also wouldn't want to tone them down too much beyond that either. For a shared DCU, Superman should be at Bronze age levels and Wonder Woman should be at Golden Age + flight (so I guess post-Crisis). And both have the intellects of their pre-Crisis counterparts as well

[CosmiComic]

They definitely should retain their intellect.