Question:
Why can Batman stay 29/30 forever but the Young Justice kids had to go ftom 11 to 19 and hooking up in barns?
Question:
Why can Batman stay 29/30 forever but the Young Justice kids had to go ftom 11 to 19 and hooking up in barns?
Thanks, Ascended! Tim is IMHO the best Robin because he grasped destiny by the horns. I like that aspect of a character origin which is why I prefer Byrne's origin for Cassie over the Zeus love child retcon but admire how the two were woven together. After all Cassie actions were still Cassie's as she did not know of the divine lineage
True, but I was trying to provide the abridged version.
Technically, Bruce and everyone else has aged up just as much as the kids. But the difference between 14 and 19 is much bigger and more obvious than the difference between 30 and 35, or 35 and 40.
In fact, in current canon Bruce and Clark are both 40 at least, if not a few years older.
Happy to oblige! And yeah, I agree, Tim is the best Robin. I love Dick Grayson, he's my second favorite DC character. But I think Tim is what elevated the role of "Robin" from a sidekick into an independent hero capable of doing his own thing. I wish the guy would move on into a new role and name, since Damian isn't gonna let go of "Robin" for anything less than a pointy eared cowl, but Tim's the guy who made Robin a solo star.
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You guys must have not read any (good) stories with Dick as Robin if you think Tim is the one that "elevated the role of Robin from a sidekick into an independent hero capable of doing his own thing". I can't believe some of you really believe that Tim is the guy that made Robin a "solo star" like are we really just going to ignore Dick's legacy like this now? I would argue creating someone like Tim, who was so 'perfect' at being a Robin, is what is keeping his character from moving on from the role because that's all what writers are comfortable writing him as. He will never be able to move on to something else because no writer believes he is capable of being his own hero. Tim's whole personality trait is him being Robin, that's all he has going for him lmao and that's my controversial opinion for you all
I know this couldn't happen in practical terms given the focus of DC (company) resources on what they perceive to the most profitable characters, but my #1 wish list item at this point would be to re-align the DC Multiverse to allow for the existence of each era's prime characters on their own:
1. The JSA and like characters (All-Star Squadron, Infinity Inc., etc.) would be set on Earth-2.
2. The Justice League, New Teen Titans (aka Nightwing, Donna Troy, Raven, Starfire, Cyborg, etc.), Outsiders, Doom Patrol, and other like characters from the Silver and Bronze Ages would be set on Earth-1.
3. Captain Marvel (aka Shazam) and his family and like characters (including Black Adam, Dr. Savana, etc.) would be set on Earth-S.
4. The 90's replacement characters (Kyle Rayner, Connor Hawke, Tim Drake, Cassie Sandsmark, Connor Kent, etc.) would be on their own Earth.
5. The new replacement characters (Jon Kent, Yara, Jace Fox, etc.) would be on their own Earth.
The older Earths (the ones with characters pre-dating the Crisis on Infinite Earths) would start from that period onward. The newer Earths can start at whatever periods make the most sense (e.g. the 90s Earth could start around the time when the core characters from that era started to fade in popularity or get pushed into the background by whatever cosmic reset happened at the time).
New characters can be added to each of the Earths. Characters with the ability to traverse worlds/times can travel the Multiverse, but it shouldn't be an every day occurrence (a semi-annual event perhaps?)
I'm thinking more in the broader scheme. I'll be honest, unless DC starts embracing more diverse voices (bone chilling, I know), I really think they're going to be a shell of what they were in 20 years time.
Geoff Johns and other guys who seem to only be interested in rewriting their favorite stories from when they were a kid. Not moving forward = standing still and that's not how you get ahead.
God, and this is the reason the only time I've ever been able to stand him was during Tomasi and Gleason's Batman & Robin run where Bruce was there to put him in his place. He's so insufferable and entitled.
Last edited by phonogram12; 08-08-2022 at 04:47 PM.
Keep in mind that you have about as much chance of changing my mind as I do of changing yours.
Dicks best solo stories as Robin are imo all retroactive ones that have been written after Tim took over the mantle.
When you are including Teen Titans stories into that, in the best ones Dick is allready an adult, pretty near to switching to Nightwing, those are not really classical Robin stories.
But imo pre crisis Jason, was the one where they modernized how to write Robin.
Dick did have solo series back in the Golden Age but it didn't last very long and the stories (at least the ones I managed to read) were not very good.
Dick's Robin era is very much defined by green panties and exclaiming 'holy IT&T Batman', his best run was during the Bronze Age when he joined the New Teen Titans which culminated in him becoming Nightwing. He had a few good solo stories during the Bronze Age as Robin but that's about it.
Tim was the first Robin to wear pants, he got the signature bo staff, the cape that was black on the outside, the ninja shoes and the vest was now an armor. His ongoing ran much longer than any other Robin, he had parents and a full fledged supporting cast. Tim is so influential that they retroactively added elements that were unique to him to both Dick and Jason. B:TAS gave Tim's Robin suit to Dick, the 2003 Teen Titans show also gave Dick the bo staff, pants and the spiky hair. Jason also sported several of Tim's costumes in the 'Under the Red Hood' movie. Even YJ Dick had some of Tim's qualities like being more tech savvy and intuitive intelligence.
Turning Tim into a mini Bruce was a mistake, imo. Especially with Damian around. The fact that he has been excluded from most adaptations while giving his qualities to other characters has caused the character to languish and for people to not see the point of the character. IMO, Tim is a much more interesting character than Damian will ever be.
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Shazam (and his extended family) is an untapped goldmine animation wise. There is so much that could be done.
Also if DC ever taps into the manga market Billy is the character to do that with, he's a shonen protagonist in every sense.
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That is not only BS but flat wrong.
Are we all going to now pretend that Star Spangled Comics didn't exist?
That Dick and co didn't form a group separate from batman and co where they were independent and not sidekicks?
It's fine to have our favourites but lets not pretend that Dick Grayson as robin didn't also work as a solo hero. Lets not pretend that those stories didn't last over 80 issues.
I feel like i'm in La la land. I know fans like to HC but we can't just ignore facts. I own one of the volumes of the collected Star Spangled comics.