It was the n52 that basically developed this opinion for me. We had characters moving forward and then the n52 retconned them all back to the status quo. It really screwed over a lot of character growth.
It was the n52 that basically developed this opinion for me. We had characters moving forward and then the n52 retconned them all back to the status quo. It really screwed over a lot of character growth.
Weisman on a Flash show would be interesting.
I know he's a fan of the property and he has good handle on The Flashes and Iris.
Captain Cold was a pretty minor and inconsequential villain but he wasn't really a focus on the show.
Weisman doesn't care for the Speed Force, so it would be interesting to see a Flash show that didn't revolve around it.
"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does? - Gaff Blade Runner
"In a short time, this will be a long time ago." - Werner Slow West
"One of the biggest problems in the industry is apathy right now." - Dan Didio Co-Publisher of I Wonder Why That Is Comics
“Somewhere, in our darkest night, we made up the story of a man who will never let us down.”
- Grant Morrison on Superman
"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does? - Gaff Blade Runner
"In a short time, this will be a long time ago." - Werner Slow West
"One of the biggest problems in the industry is apathy right now." - Dan Didio Co-Publisher of I Wonder Why That Is Comics
“Somewhere, in our darkest night, we made up the story of a man who will never let us down.”
- Grant Morrison on Superman
They've really only been de-aged with the New 52, along with everyone else, and now everyone is roughly back at the same age they were pre-Flashpoint. None of the DC writers, even before DiDio, were in any rush to age any characters up to begin with.
They get axed. So simply stop axing them, bring them back, and quit adding generations when clearly none of them are going anywhere and we can't afford to keep crowding things and making each group redundant.
And it would be easier with the original Earth-1/Earth-2 set up that DC foolishly go rid of for this forced generational thing that only really applied to the JSA and Infinity Inc. The Titans really aren't THAT much younger than the JL and don't need to go anywhere for them to flourish.
And I maintain that if you have to get rid of successful independent characters for these other characters to work, then these other characters are weaker and cannot stand on their own, so why bother with them? If they are as versatile as people say they are, let them branch out and find niches of their own. DC needs to put some creative effort into this and fans need to be receptive and go out there and actually support it if its good.
The Titans were originally like 15-20 years younger than their mentors but constant retcons and rebooting have shrunk that number. And no, Deku, it is not just the New 52. Wonder Woman's reboot shrunk her and Donna's age gap. Born to Run made Wally 13 instead of 10 when he and Barry teamed up (and later, Flash Rebirth 1.0 shrunk their ages to the point where now, somehow, Iris and Barry were the same age as Wally magically). The New 52 completed it with the ridiculous shrinking of the Batman family.
Again, you can't use this argument when Hal and Barry are the ones using other characters' names. If Barry is as amazing and iconic as you say he is let him branch out and find his own niche instead of, I don't know, literally reusing Wally concepts like Speed Force and lightning rods and flash family and blah blah. It's blatantly hypocritical.
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The first major reboot was with COIE despite some smaller retcons/slide timescales along the way. Before that, Dick was college aged while Bruce was in his 30s. It's closer to your stated 15 years, if not a smaller gap. I'd generally say a decade at most for most of the mentors/sidekicks. The age difference isn't that big.
That merger shouldn't have happened. It didn't exactly result in its stated goal of a cleaner continuity. In fact, it was quite the opposite.
No, I very easily can when Jay and Alan haven't been viable leads since the 1940s. They were dead properties along with the rest of the superhero genre that wasn't the Trinity. Barry and Hal were revamps in a new continuity that overhauled the basic concepts Jay and Alan introduced. Hal's GL mythos in particular has nothing to do with Alan. It is not the same as when Barry and Hal got phased out for Wally and Kyle. Wally had Barry's costume, shared Barry's history and fought Barry's villains, he wouldn't have any connection to Jay without the post-Crisis merger, beyond stories where he could have crossed over the Multiverse.
Kyle continued on with the same continuity established by Hal, the GL mythos was scrapped with a new continuity with a new overhaul of the GL concept. Hal then came back and lead the most successful period the GL property has ever enjoyed.
Yeah, they kept the same numbering. That ceases to matter when you read the actual stories and see Barry meet Jay across the multiverse as a parallel peer, not a predecessor.
Barry wasn't a viable lead in the 80s. But they still brought him back. Heck, Hal was not a viable lead in the 70s, as seen by his dang comic becoming a Flash backup before Barry's fall.
Their properties were on their way to being dead when they reimagined them instead of just letting them die. I don't get how you can't grasp this, how you pretend that Barry and Hal were always great and successful and that's what sets them apart from Jay and Alan. I do not get why you are creating this distinction that doesn't even support your point.
But if carrying on someone else's mythos is really your criteria for being a loser character who can't stand on their own and should just get their own identity and start all over from square one, then boy that accounts for Barry. Dude has relied more of Wally's original content than Wally ever did his.