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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRay View Post
    I really didn't think 'Batman & Robin' was that bad or that DC is bad at movies in general.
    Batman & Robin is hilarious. It's not my favorite Batman movie but look, it's up there. You just have to put aside the desire for a serious Batman flick and strap yourself in for a ride.

    Also: significantly better with friends and frequent vocal engagement.
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    I object to either SWAMP THING (1982) or THE RETURN OF SWAMP THING (1989) being classified as failed movies. I've seen both--I actually saw RETURN first, in the movie theatre, and then saw the first one on video later--and they were both very good movies, with RETURN being my favourite. It's not a case of being so bad it's good--the second movie is intentionally being funny, so if you're laughing in places then you're doing what the movie intended you to do.
    And you won't read that book again,
    Because the ending's just too hard to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adekis View Post
    Batman & Robin is hilarious. It's not my favorite Batman movie but look, it's up there. You just have to put aside the desire for a serious Batman flick and strap yourself in for a ride.

    Also: significantly better with friends and frequent vocal engagement.
    Agreed, so many moments are just too ridiculous to not be intentional, and while I don't think a lot of the acting is good and the tone can be a little inconsistent, the movie is hilarious and has a semblance of real care for at least one version of Batman.

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    this scene is spectacular honestly, look at the costume design and how each individual person in that room has a unique look. but their looks and the overall design is weird, it's oddly dystopian, it doesn't look kid-friendly or "silly," it highlights the absurdity of these characters. why is there a giant mouth with teeth along the doorway and people in giant gorilla suits dancing around? everyone over-acts ands plays up the absurdity which makes it way more entertaining but also interesting. Batman readers know how much Bruce disconnects from the typical rich boy lifestyle even though he has to in order to play up the charade, the way this bourgeoisie event is portrayed, in a surreal manner shows me why Bruce disconnects from this world, or at least why he would.

    and I love this entrance for Poison Ivy. all of this would have happened in a golden or even silver/bronze age issue of Detective Comics or Batman

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    Batman & Robin was my first ever Batman movie and it will always hold an important place in my heart for making me the Batman fan I am today.

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    Rogues should be a group that prohibits killing people unnecessarily. But in Flash # 76, Heat Wave kills police officers unnecessarily. That didn't look like a necessary murder. And Captain Cold did not stop it. This was personally disappointing.

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    Johnny Quick is way cooler than any Flash, and he always was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Johnny Quick is way cooler than any Flash, and he always was.
    I was beginning to wonder if anything in this thread would be truly controversial. Between this and the people liking the Batman and Robin movie, this thread is finally living up to its title.
    Just re-reading my old collection, filling in the occasional gap with back issues, not buying anything new.

    Currently working my way through 1990's Flash, Impulse, and JLA, and occasional other related stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fromper View Post
    I was beginning to wonder if anything in this thread would be truly controversial. Between this and the people liking the Batman and Robin movie, this thread is finally living up to its title.
    You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Johnny Quick is way cooler than any Flash, and he always was.
    Ooh, this is a good one and something I agree with. Johnny Quick always just seemed fun and laid back, which is really what I want in a character I want to read about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaijudo View Post
    Ooh, this is a good one and something I agree with. Johnny Quick always just seemed fun and laid back, which is really what I want in a character I want to read about.
    He'd also be very easy to update. In the original, Johnathan Chambers was a news-reel camera man (for the young; movie theaters used to show brief, mostly lightweight news items before the main feature). Today, make him a vlogger/reporter on You-Tube-esque news channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmo View Post
    this scene is spectacular honestly, look at the costume design and how each individual person in that room has a unique look. but their looks and the overall design is weird, it's oddly dystopian, it doesn't look kid-friendly or "silly," it highlights the absurdity of these characters. why is there a giant mouth with teeth along the doorway and people in giant gorilla suits dancing around? everyone over-acts ands plays up the absurdity which makes it way more entertaining but also interesting. Batman readers know how much Bruce disconnects from the typical rich boy lifestyle even though he has to in order to play up the charade, the way this bourgeoisie event is portrayed, in a surreal manner shows me why Bruce disconnects from this world, or at least why he would.
    There was a theory going around that beginning with Batman '89 and the subsequent defeats and deaths of Joker, Penguin, Two-Face, etc. that the Batman movies got sillier and more out there because Batman actually made Gotham a safer place (even allowing Batman himself to step out of the shadows a bit and become a friendlier more public figure). But Gotham is always going to be Gotham, filled with extreme personalities and extravagance, hence why we get insane architecture and people in gorilla costumes.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    He'd also be very easy to update. In the original, Johnathan Chambers was a news-reel camera man (for the young; movie theaters used to show brief, mostly lightweight news items before the main feature). Today, make him a vlogger/reporter on You-Tube-esque news channel.
    What are some great classic Johnny Quick stories?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90'sCartoonMan View Post
    What are some great classic Johnny Quick stories?
    I remember a story where he and Jay teamed-up but I can't recall the exact issue.

    He was also one of the POV characters for James Robinson's Golden Age series.

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    Mort Weisinger is credited with creating Johnny Quick in MORE FUN COMICS 71 and the first artist to work on the feature was Chad Grothkopf, but with issue 74 and 75, the pencils are by Jerry Robinson and the inks by Mort Meskin. At this time, Robinson and Meskin had their own studio and worked together as an art team, producing some phenomenal work. Meskin takes over as penciller on issue 76 and continues to the end of JQ's run in MORE FUN. And then he stays on Johnny when the series goes over to ADVENTURE COMICS in 103, giving it up after issue 133.

    All of Meskin's run on Johnny Quick is classic. Often the stories had the simple credit "by Mort Morton, Jr."--whether this means Morton Meskin wrote those stories as well as illustrating them is an open question. There clearly are some stories where it couldn't have been anyone but Mort who was plotting, such as "Tubby Watts Hero" in MORE FUN COMICS 88 (February 1943) with art by Meskin and Cliff Young. In that story, Mort Morton, Jr., himself makes an appearance--as Tubby tells the story to the Johnny Quick artist.
    And you won't read that book again,
    Because the ending's just too hard to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90'sCartoonMan View Post
    What are some great classic Johnny Quick stories?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    Mort Weisinger is credited with creating Johnny Quick in MORE FUN COMICS 71 and the first artist to work on the feature was Chad Grothkopf, but with issue 74 and 75, the pencils are by Jerry Robinson and the inks by Mort Meskin. At this time, Robinson and Meskin had their own studio and worked together as an art team, producing some phenomenal work. Meskin takes over as penciller on issue 76 and continues to the end of JQ's run in MORE FUN. And then he stays on Johnny when the series goes over to ADVENTURE COMICS in 103, giving it up after issue 133.

    All of Meskin's run on Johnny Quick is classic. Often the stories had the simple credit "by Mort Morton, Jr."--whether this means Morton Meskin wrote those stories as well as illustrating them is an open question. There clearly are some stories where it couldn't have been anyone but Mort who was plotting, such as "Tubby Watts Hero" in MORE FUN COMICS 88 (February 1943) with art by Meskin and Cliff Young. In that story, Mort Morton, Jr., himself makes an appearance--as Tubby tells the story to the Johnny Quick artist.
    In addition, JQ played a very prominent role in All-Star Squadron. The story I was most anticipating never got to publication before the title transitioned to Young All-Stars; resolving the escalating rivalry between him and the Nazi speedster, Zyklon.

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