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    Default So an Imperial-class Star Destroyer (Star Wars) crash lands on Earth..........

    It is equipped with the following:

    SHIELDING
    Deflector shield generator domes (2)

    SENSOR SYSTEMS
    Long range sensor

    TARGETING SYSTEMS
    Tractor beam targeting array

    ARMAMENT
    Taim & Bak XX-9 heavy turbolaser batteries (60)
    Borstel NK-7 ion cannons (60)
    Dual heavy turbolaser turrets (6)
    Dual heavy ion cannon turrets (2)
    Quad heavy turbolasers (2)
    Triple medium turbolasers (3)
    Medium turbolasers (2)
    Phylon 07 tractor beam projectors (10)

    COMPLEMENT
    TIE line starfighters (72)
    TIE/ln space superiority starfighters (48)
    TIE/sa bombers (12)
    TIE/IN interceptors (12)
    AT-AT walkers (20)
    AT-ST or AT-DP walkers (30)
    K79-S80 Imperial Troop Transports (15)
    Lambda-class T-4a shuttles (8)

    CREW
    Officers (9,235)
    Enlisted (27,850)

    PASSENGERS
    Stormtroopers (9,700)

    CONSUMABLES
    2 years

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    The above ship ďcrashesĒ on Earth (undamaged, but unable to fly into space). The place it crashes? Well......

    World War II era Earth, shortly after the invasion of Normandy. The location is somewhere between the border of France, Belgium, and Germany.

    What would happen? Is the tech difference too much to handle? Can such a small military force (in comparison) change the war outcome, and if so in what way? What would be the changes that would happen on Earth? And could WWII tech beat out the Imperial finest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleric of Hell’s Brigade View Post
    It is equipped with the following:

    SHIELDING
    Deflector shield generator domes (2)

    SENSOR SYSTEMS
    Long range sensor

    TARGETING SYSTEMS
    Tractor beam targeting array

    ARMAMENT
    Taim & Bak XX-9 heavy turbolaser batteries (60)
    Borstel NK-7 ion cannons (60)
    Dual heavy turbolaser turrets (6)
    Dual heavy ion cannon turrets (2)
    Quad heavy turbolasers (2)
    Triple medium turbolasers (3)
    Medium turbolasers (2)
    Phylon 07 tractor beam projectors (10)

    COMPLEMENT
    TIE line starfighters (72)
    TIE/ln space superiority starfighters (48)
    TIE/sa bombers (12)
    TIE/IN interceptors (12)
    AT-AT walkers (20)
    AT-ST or AT-DP walkers (30)
    K79-S80 Imperial Troop Transports (15)
    Lambda-class T-4a shuttles (8)

    CREW
    Officers (9,235)
    Enlisted (27,850)

    PASSENGERS
    Stormtroopers (9,700)

    CONSUMABLES
    2 years

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    The above ship “crashes” on Earth (undamaged, but unable to fly into space). The place it crashes? Well......

    World War II era Earth, shortly after the invasion of Normandy. The location is somewhere between the border of France, Belgium, and Germany.

    What would happen? Is the tech difference too much to handle? Can such a small military force (in comparison) change the war outcome, and if so in what way? What would be the changes that would happen on Earth? And could WWII tech beat out the Imperial finest?
    I don't think the Earth forces can scratch it, if they turtle up. Even just being in range of its turbo lasers is a death sentence. I think ww2 era planes are capable of taking down TIE fighters, so they won't be able to extend to far away from SD, depending on how far the turbo lasers can be fired from its postion. The Imperjals would be best off occupying the land they can control for more resources. I could see the Axis powers maybe trying to form an alliance with them too. If that alliance is made then things are over for the Allies. Even without it the Imperials are unbeatable as long as the Star Destroyer holds up.

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    How many droids do they have?

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    In the words of the Great Philosopher Bender Bending Rodriguez "We're boned".

    Nothing can past the shields, the TIE fighters won't be taken down with air to air combat in any real numbers that matter, and if the ship works fine then orbital bombardment ftw. Or they use the "smaller" cannons to rip apart any/all vehicles and bases of operations until everyone submits.

    Can you even imagine the moral drop as shiny armored swarm out firing fricken lasers and riding mechanical Dinosaurs that shoot even bigger lasers? Can you imagine that coming over the radio or someone breaking into a TV program to tell people what's happening? The world would either surrender at once, or try and drop a nuke on it and when it fails then try to surrender.
    And with that the rest of the Domino's will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    How many droids do they have?
    Two hundred MSE-6 repair droids.
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    Star Destroyer would be essentially an impregnable fortress , they could even launch raids to the surrounding areas using Walkers with TIE cover for supplies for the local area and the troop transports mean they can hit pretty much anywhere on the globe with impunity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Drizzle View Post
    In the words of the Great Philosopher Bender Bending Rodriguez "We're boned".

    Nothing can past the shields, the TIE fighters won't be taken down with air to air combat in any real numbers that matter, and if the ship works fine then orbital bombardment ftw. Or they use the "smaller" cannons to rip apart any/all vehicles and bases of operations until everyone submits.

    Can you even imagine the moral drop as shiny armored swarm out firing fricken lasers and riding mechanical Dinosaurs that shoot even bigger lasers? Can you imagine that coming over the radio or someone breaking into a TV program to tell people what's happening? The world would either surrender at once, or try and drop a nuke on it and when it fails then try to surrender.
    The Star Destroyer cannot get off the ground. It’s permanently grounded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Drizzle View Post
    In the words of the Great Philosopher Bender Bending Rodriguez "We're boned".

    Nothing can past the shields, the TIE fighters won't be taken down with air to air combat in any real numbers that matter, and if the ship works fine then orbital bombardment ftw. Or they use the "smaller" cannons to rip apart any/all vehicles and bases of operations until everyone submits.

    Can you even imagine the moral drop as shiny armored swarm out firing fricken lasers and riding mechanical Dinosaurs that shoot even bigger lasers? Can you imagine that coming over the radio or someone breaking into a TV program to tell people what's happening? The world would either surrender at once, or try and drop a nuke on it and when it fails then try to surrender.
    You don't think enmass attacks of Earth aircraft could take down TIE fighters? The TIE's are more maneuverable, can operate at higher altitudes, and are probably faster, but they are still Line Of Sight based dog fighters, that should still be able to be shot down by Earth Fighters.
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    I would like to just say that even though the technological superiority is immense, it is not unfathomable. I think that if a couple Panzers went up against a AT-AT, they could down it. Besides, most of the big craft the SD has is absurdly simple to spot and a equally easy target as well. Also, I think you are underestimating WWII armies. The less than 50-thousand personel of the SD are NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING against the literal MILLIONS of soldiers there were on battlefields. In conclusion, I believe what would happen is that the SD would cause panic and much alarm for a while, and would result in HUGE casualties, in the millions, definitely, but would eventually be overrun and their technology reverse engineered. 50 years later, a unstoppable military force from Earth would take over the galaxy-using unfathomable computer technology and hacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syncronyzer View Post
    I would like to just say that even though the technological superiority is immense, it is not unfathomable. I think that if a couple Panzers went up against a AT-AT, they could down it. Besides, most of the big craft the SD has is absurdly simple to spot and a equally easy target as well. Also, I think you are underestimating WWII armies. The less than 50-thousand personel of the SD are NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING against the literal MILLIONS of soldiers there were on battlefields. In conclusion, I believe what would happen is that the SD would cause panic and much alarm for a while, and would result in HUGE casualties, in the millions, definitely, but would eventually be overrun and their technology reverse engineered. 50 years later, a unstoppable military force from Earth would take over the galaxy-using unfathomable computer technology and hacking.
    Honestly, I'm pretty sure that what would actually happen is that the Star Destroyer would casually blow up every military base, large concentration of soldiers, and capital city on the planet within the first week as their warning shot, then declare Earth as property of the Galactic Empire with the explicit threat of wiping out any nation that doesn't swear fealty within 24 hours, then follow through on that threat if anyone didn't surrender (even if they try to surrender after seeing what happened to the first nation that the Star Destroyer got to, because the Empire doesn't particularly believe in bluffing or second chances), then have their droids and non-mechanical crew members set up a weapons/spaceship factory where they can build a fully space-capable ship without needing to let any Earthling mining slaves within eyeshot of that factory (assuming Earth has the required resources to do so).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleric of Hellís Brigade View Post
    The Star Destroyer cannot get off the ground. Itís permanently grounded.
    That changes some things but overall it's the same.

    For TIE fighters: They are much faster and more agile by bounds. Just like real life where a single F_35 pilot can down 5+ older model Jets with impunity, but here the TIE fighters would make it a worse stomp as they store much more ammunition than any fighter jets, and every shot hits with above missle force. Plus they are made with very sturdy material, it's just that X Wing lasers are powerful themselves. Also some models do have targeting, but even in masse if the pilots act like trained pilots then some go down but not enough to make any sort of dent to the Imperial Force.

    Also Tanks vs Walker is a walker win all day. Tanks aren't built for shots coming from above which is what every shot will be coming from by the Walker, and the shot from the Walker is more powerful than the Tanks round. And again the Walker carries much more ammo then the Tanks so they could take out many more at a time then the Tanks could ever match.

    With 2 years worth of food they would have the World surrendering to them long before they ever run out, and again the Star Destroyer itself is untouchable even without being able to move as nothing the World has at that point is getting through it's sheilds.
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    And with that the rest of the Domino's will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

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    I missed the part about the SD not being able to fly, but I think that it's got sufficient targeting capabilities to at least be able to hit anything in Europe (if not anywhere on Earth) that isn't capable of moving dodging at at least fighter jet speeds, which would be sufficient to let it take over a large enough base of power and sci-fi tech factories to supplement their original capabilities pretty much indefinitely.

    Also, tree Tie Fighters vs. WW2 fighter planes, while I agree that their manual targeting suggests that their effective engagement speeds and ranges should be comparable to modern dogfighters, and even if we grant that they WW2 military tech can damage or even destroy them with their shield up, their travel speed should be so ludicrously higher that they can get to their target, blast at will, then get at least a few countries over before any WW2 era jets could finish scrambling to their location.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    I missed the part about the SD not being able to fly, but I think that it's got sufficient targeting capabilities to at least be able to hit anything in Europe (if not anywhere on Earth) that isn't capable of moving dodging at at least fighter jet speeds, which would be sufficient to let it take over a large enough base of power and sci-fi tech factories to supplement their original capabilities pretty much indefinitely.

    Also, tree Tie Fighters vs. WW2 fighter planes, while I agree that their manual targeting suggests that their effective engagement speeds and ranges should be comparable to modern dogfighters, and even if we grant that they WW2 military tech can damage or even destroy them with their shield up, their travel speed should be so ludicrously higher that they can get to their target, blast at will, then get at least a few countries over before any WW2 era jets could finish scrambling to their location.
    But if WWII forces get their hands on captured tech or scientists, the SD will be doomed due to a war of attrition.

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    As the prompt says the SD is undamaged but simply cannot fly into space, they can just fly it around in the upper atmosphere and blast away at everyone until no one wants to oppose them anymore, then the captain makes himself the Moff of Earth and we all live under Imperial rule until the Imperial tech becomes standard and a rebellion can form. There is nothing any of the nations of earth can do to it and it can easily wipe out whatever it targets.

    Edit: and having seen the later clarifying post, scratch that plan.

    Instead 8 shielded Lambda class shuttles fly around and blast strategic targets with their laser cannons, accomplishing much the same outcome, but taking much more time to do it. None of the anti-aircraft weapons that exist are going to affect them and they can easily just blast any building, vehicle, runway, road, bridge, power plant, factory, etc. to ruins. They demand an evacuation of a large area around the ship, essentially making surprise attacks impossible, and then start setting up factories and whatnot to duplicate their technology, assuming they have the technical knowhow and stored information to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmazilla View Post
    You don't think enmass attacks of Earth aircraft could take down TIE fighters? The TIE's are more maneuverable, can operate at higher altitudes, and are probably faster, but they are still Line Of Sight based dog fighters, that should still be able to be shot down by Earth Fighters.
    nope, the TIEs can simply fly above the fighters max ceiling(not that high for a piston powered prop plane, which also can't angle the plane especially sharp without stalling) and shoot down on them
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