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    Default Iceman and Human Torch vs Firestorm and Captain Cold

    616 vs Post crisis versions.

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    Huh. If anyone can perma kill Iceman, it is probably Ronnie/Jason/Doc whoever else is in there this week. So it seems like it comes down to if he can survive long enough to do so.

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    Isn't Iceman's body still organic even after transforming into ice? So Firestorm will not be able to affect him. Captain Cold doesn't make any difference here imo. So unless Firestorm frags the area first which takes out both the Torch and Bobby team DC is screwed.

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    depending on who's running things with firestorm, he can, you know, unmake bobby or something along those lines.

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    Would Captain Cold and Iceman just neutralize each other here or is Cold simply no match?

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    depending on who's running things with firestorm, he can, you know, unmake bobby or something along those lines.
    Well he did transform sandy into glass so perhaps transmuting Bobby may not present a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRay View Post
    Would Captain Cold and Iceman just neutralize each other here or is Cold simply no match?
    Cold is quite firmly out of his depth against Bobby.

    He don't want none of that.

    I agree with Morgan's assessment. Firestorm has enough wild feats of esoteric transmutation to feasibly take down Bobby but I'm not sure if he's got the defences to hold out while he does it.
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    Johnny and Leonard are wondering what they're doing here while Iceman and Firestorm engage in a god-like spectacle of a battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik Hasta View Post
    Cold is quite firmly out of his depth against Bobby.

    He don't want none of that.
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    pretty much. snart's cold gun isn't really a cold gun in the same sense as mr. freeze's. now i'm not sure to say snart's gun can "freeze" bobby but he probably won't find out since bobby, at his best, operates on a level that even fused snart couldn't hope to match.

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    The Post-Crisis version of Snart's cold gun was explicitly capable of chilling objects to absolute zero, which might or might not actually be colder than Bobby can reach, but it's still largely irrelevant.

    Well, okay, he might be able to take out Johnny in a quickdraw, but the fight still mostly comes down to Firestorm searching his bag of tricks for a way to disable Iceman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik Hasta View Post
    Cold is quite firmly out of his depth against Bobby
    I don’t know about that. He seems to be almost constantly upgrading his tech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRay View Post
    I don’t know about that. He seems to be almost constantly upgrading his tech.
    That may indeed be the case, but Nik’s comment isn’t a slight against Snart. Ice-god Bobby is just insane.

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    shouldn't it be heatwave rather than firestorm.

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    If it were, it’d be a murderstomp in Marvel’s favour.

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    Bobby is dumb.

    Dumb powerful.
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