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    Default OT: Retcons you wish hadn't been retconned

    Let's be honest. Continuity for comics is lol. Any major story arc or character development is likely to be retconned or simply ignored within 5, 2 or even a single year, regardless of whether or not it's DC or Marvel. Blue Energy Superman, Azareal Batman, Parallax Hal Jordan, Superior Spider-Man, James Rhodes Iron Man, Frank Castle Frankenstein etc.

    My question to you comic book readers, no judgments, is simple.

    Which of all these drastic character arcs do you wish had not been retconned or changed? Which major change to character continuity do you wish the publisher had run with?

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    If I understand the question correctly - changes we wish were kept? - She-Hulk being stable and in control of her powers, regarding them as a source of potential mischief and maybe situational hindrance at worst, rather than source of shame and something to draw upon in moments of self-loathing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grampagen View Post
    If I understand the question correctly - changes we wish were kept? - She-Hulk being stable and in control of her powers, regarding them as a source of potential mischief and maybe situational hindrance at worst, rather than source of shame and something to draw upon in moments of self-loathing.
    I'm clearly not following comics anymore. I remember when Jennifer Walters wanted to stay in her She-Hulk form all the time and hated her smaller form.

    I kind of wish the DC Silver Age had never been retconned but grown and changed as it was already doing before being partially retconned.

    I can't say I wish they had just continued with the Golden Age and progressed because that's not reinstituting a retcon. But I wish they had done it the Marvel way and at least continued the pretense that these were the same characters in some form though they really haven't been for a long time. When you've got Tony Stark talking about the 1960s like he hadn't even been born yet, definitely not the same character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerboy View Post
    I'm clearly not following comics anymore. I remember when Jennifer Walters wanted to stay in her She-Hulk form all the time and hated her smaller form.

    I kind of wish the DC Silver Age had never been retconned but grown and changed as it was already doing before being partially retconned.

    I can't say I wish they had just continued with the Golden Age and progressed because that's not reinstituting a retcon. But I wish they had done it the Marvel way and at least continued the pretense that these were the same characters in some form though they really haven't been for a long time. When you've got Tony Stark talking about the 1960s like he hadn't even been born yet, definitely not the same character.
    For awhile, she was dumb. Like Savage Hulk dumb. Smart Jennifer who was always in control of her Hulk side was great. Now she's just... I dunno man, a source of sadness. Cassandra Cain should've stayed as she was Post-Crisis as well.
    Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran

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    Quote Originally Posted by grampagen View Post
    If I understand the question correctly - changes we wish were kept?
    Going with your explanation, I would LOVE to have kept Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance from the '90s...



    I liked it better when Dan Ketch was the one & only Ghost Rider, while Johnny Blaze kept a watchful eye over young Dan with his Hellfire Shotgun.

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    Among so many different changes, one of my personal favorites was Guy Gardner's whole "Warrior" phase.

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    I know Gardner is more iconically recognized as a Green Lantern but honestly there have been SO many characters to bear the title and ring of Green Lantern that I really don't feel like anything would have been truly lost to give Gardner a different power set while still involving him in that particular story line.

    Likewise, I feel they should have kept Hal Jordan as Parallax, a fallen hero instead of a yellow fear entity. I just think it gives more weight and depth to the heroes of the Justice League if all of them don't necessarily live to old age or remain as champions of virtue and heroism for all time. As the saying goes, you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-1000 View Post
    Among so many different changes, one of my personal favorites was Guy Gardner's whole "Warrior" phase.

    Guy_Gardner_Warrior_Year_One.jpg

    I know Gardner is more iconically recognized as a Green Lantern but honestly there have been SO many characters to bear the title and ring of Green Lantern that I really don't feel like anything would have been truly lost to give Gardner a different power set while still involving him in that particular story line.

    Likewise, I feel they should have kept Hal Jordan as Parallax, a fallen hero instead of a yellow fear entity. I just think it gives more weight and depth to the heroes of the Justice League if all of them don't necessarily live to old age or remain as champions of virtue and heroism for all time. As the saying goes, you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.
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    Do we call him the Ultimate Gardner?
    Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh View Post
    Cassandra Cain should've stayed as she was Post-Crisis as well.
    Have to agree with that.
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    Pineapple Thing. Nuff said.

    Steve Rogers as The Captain, John Walker as Captain America.

    Simon Williams as Hollywood (not really a retconned character change, but still).

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    EDIT: Whoops, misread.
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    The Star Wars Sequels are retconning their own retcons at this point. I kinda wish they just made the movies and stuck with those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy1 View Post
    The Star Wars Sequels are retconning their own retcons at this point. I kinda wish they just made the movies and stuck with those.
    Hell, if rumors are true, they're allegedly retconning the Star Wars Sequels to focus on Luke again.
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    Jason Todd shouldn't have been brought back and Barbara was best in the wheelchair

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