I'm not sure what the angle is here, conflating plot contrivances, ludonarrative dissonance, and implausible scenarios with poor character work.
Suppose we shall have to agree to disagree on our impressions before we go in increasingly pedantic circles.
Ichigo: What even *are* you?!
Kenpachi: Some say my mother was a train. Some say that I'm a rejected Godzilla monster too strong for the series canon. But everyone says: I'M THE KEEEEENPACHIIIIII!!!!
that was part of the appeal of the first game. joel didn't trust anyone, save for a few people, and over the course of several months, he came to trust Ellie and eventually saw her as a surrogate daughter.
that's the thing. joel wasn't in the game enough to show that he had changed that part of himself to the degree to be a major departure of his character. with "dad of war", we got enough time in the start of the game to see that kratos had tempered his rage and was no longer the murderous, vengeance seeking asshat he was in the past games. joel only got a few scenes and then he did something completely out of character from the last game and then died.
Mr lone wolf killer just living in a town full of people and being trusted to go on patrols without fear he'll kill random survivors is pretty high. That a dude came at Ellie about kissing a girl and he was alive and well enough to make apology sandwiches for Ellie come morning was quite an endorsement about his current restraint.
I did read this Polygon piece about TLOU2 over the weekend and thought it raised some interesting points.
As I say, I never finished the first game and have no real interest in the sequel so I've no skin in the game with regards to its creative decisions but the above piece on it raises some interesting points about how it handles cycles of violence and the handling of its characters.
It's also spoiler free beyond say - broad thematic spoilers. I mean, you've been reading this thread (not even the spoiler tagged parts) you already know more than is revealed in the article.
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I can finally get back to weight training tomorrow. I’m rather excited.
Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
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We see him in flash backs as Ellie travels. Everything we see points to a kinder and gentler man than the hardass from the first game. Like when he takes Ellie to that museum with just the two of them. That was a huge risk letting her run around a place like that with no back up.
How are my points not coherent? It's one thing to disagree with them but nothing I've said is nonsense. Not like you calling Abby a mary sue in a series with Ellie of which the entire first game was build on how special she was both as an immune and as a person who Joel with all his baggage comes to see as a daughter(even the psycho cannibal leader liked her). I liked Ellie in the first game but if the sue bar has been lowered enough to include Abby it would definately catch Ellie.
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