“The master has failed more times than the beginner has even tried.”
-Stephen McCranie
WeeklyTubeShow's dub of this sequence was quite funny. 02:35 for the moment itself.
Well, when the Queen died a "National Period of Mourning," was announced for the country.
Which meant... something... but no one had defined it. So, some sporting events were cancelled - football fixtures for example - whereas Rugby is still on because they decided to just play the national anthem and have a minute's silence ahead of the game. A lot of shit got cancelled before the government issued any guidance on what the official mourning period entailed.
So, I'm watching Spider-man: No Way Home for the first time. I'm not finished it yet - we'll get to that tomorrow. But watching it, I'm struck by how well - in a certain way - the movie manages to capture a specific feeling of the first Spider-man movie, mixed in there with the general MCU vibe that I've grown to like less and less.
And it comes - as it did in the original - from the Green Goblin.
The Green Goblin in the original Toby McGuire movie is a bit of a standout character in Spider-man movie history (and MCU stuff in general). In Spider-man 2 and onwards, there's kind of a mood to the villains - they're somewhat sympathetic, in certain ways (I mean, Doc Ock from the movies is probably the most popular and sympathetic villain in Spider-man history). They seem like decent people who ended up in bad situations, driven insane by circumstance or power, or whatever. In the new Spider-man movies, not so much, but even then the villains are shown to at least be relatable, and to have funny sides. They get funny lines, maybe they're working class with a chance to become rich, maybe they're trying for fame, etc. Even their violence is rather sanitized in the new movies. Like a lot of MCU stuff, it's very lighthearted.
But in the original movie, the very first one, this wasn't the case. Watching No Way Home, I remembered this. Made me think about Osborn, about who he is and who the Goblin is, and how they're treated in both movies.
See, while the original Spider-man movie had some funny parts, the general mood was very, very serious. Sometimes in an ugly way. And so was Norman Osborn. He wasn't some lab-tech who was used and abused and became a super-villain, or a working class Joe who stumbled across something and wanted to become rich, or someone who had big plans to advance humanity and because of an accident ended up insane/became a monster and wreaked havoc. No - Osborn was already a monster: an emotionally abusive, weapons-tech multi-billionaire who was carrying out unethical and illegal research. He then willingly experimented on himself.
And became the Goblin.
And the Goblin, he wasn't funny. Not at all. Neither was the action, the violence. I recall him tossing pumpkin bombs that literally incinerated people's flesh onscreen, burned them instantly to skeletons or something of that sort. Killed them horrifically on-camera. He didn't think twice about threatening to murder dozens of people. He did, in fact, do this, by tossing bombs around and blowing up celebrations. He was vicious, cruel, relentless, and not at all a sympathetic villain.
And here comes No Way Home.
Now, they did try to make Osborn at least sympathetic in this movie. But he's sympathetic not in a 'we want you to like this character' way, but in a 'we want you to pity him' way. Octavius, they gave funny scenes and such, because he IS the most-liked villain, and he pulls it off so well. But Osborn? Nope. Either he's a broken man, nothing funny about that, or he's the Goblin. And once again, the Goblin is cruel, vicious, and nothing but malicious (rhymed, but unintentional).
And the Goblin kills.
He blows up police officers. He murders Edit: okay, an important character, won't say who on the off chance someone is like me and plans to see the movie but hasn't yet, for no other reason than he can (it's not 'collateral' and it's not 'she's in his way', he really has no reason to do it other than 'because he can and decides to hurt Peter').
And so I watch this, and while there's a lot the MCU does these days that doesn't hit me, and I see some of that in this movie, I do catch glimpses of the mood of that very first Spider-man movie that kind of proved that superhero movies could be legit blockbusters.
Just something running through my head I wanted to get down to get it all organized in my mind. ^_^
Last edited by Sharpandpointies; 09-13-2022 at 05:14 AM.
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No Way Home slipped a little in the ending, but was otherwise good. For me, one of the best MCU things in more than a few years. Granted, bar is low, but I still feel this movie delivered.
Am now halfway through Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness. Good lord, this is a poorly-made movie. All eye-candy and nothing more; it has all the depth of a frying pan.
Last edited by Sharpandpointies; 09-13-2022 at 02:14 PM.
Why are we here?
"Superboy Prime (the yelling guy if he needs clarification)..." - Postmania
"...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move." - Nik
"Why throw punches when you can be making everyone around you sterile mutant corpses?" - Pendaran, regarding Dr. Fate
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Kenpachi: Some say my mother was a train. Some say that I'm a rejected Godzilla monster too strong for the series canon. But everyone says: I'M THE KEEEEENPACHIIIIII!!!!
Ichigo: What even *are* you?!
Kenpachi: Some say my mother was a train. Some say that I'm a rejected Godzilla monster too strong for the series canon. But everyone says: I'M THE KEEEEENPACHIIIIII!!!!
Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
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