DC/WB Films/Worlds (No Spoilers)

[Holt]

So then what's with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Superman killing Zod?

You answered your own question.

SHAZAM! had some "dark moments" as well, with the director's horror background.

Shazam has some dark moments, but it's overwhelmingly light hearted and fun for the most part.

[dswynne]

Humans value human life over other forms of life. We value our lives so much more that we are literally killing the planet.

The Superman fandom's got nothing to do with it.

We ain't "literally killing the planet". The Greens been promoting that propaganda garbage since the 1970s. In fact, the environmental movement started out as a form of activism to address the kind of pollution that was literally killing humans. It's only recently that the movement has become nothing more than a religious cult full of Luddites who are scared of progress to the point of micromanaging any form of progress, which, IMO, WILL help conserve Earth's "environment".

[Frontier]

Something tells me people would have been a lot more okay with Superman and Batman killing people if their enemies didn't look human.

Are we counting Parademons as sentient life forms?

[Agent Z]

Are we counting Parademons as sentient life forms?

Before the New 52, they were treated as very much sentient.

[Ascended]

Has anyone else noticed that WB has put themselves in a similar position to what Marvel was in ten years ago?

Both Studios are having to find success (Marvel did, right out of the gate) with their B/C-list because the big names were unusable. Marvel because they had licensed the rights to their A-list, WB because they've screwed their A-list up so badly it'll take years to untangle.

Obviously tons of differences, but it's sorta funny that Marvel had to succeed without the mutants or Spidey, using lesser knowns like Iron Man and Thor, and now DC has to succeed without Superman or Batman (at least until his next film struggles through production), using Aquaman and Shazam.

I love that Diana dodged the "Trinity bullet" and is now basically the head of the new DCEU trinity (of films that aren't awful).

[Pinsir]

Has anyone else noticed that WB has put themselves in a similar position to what Marvel was in ten years ago?

Both Studios are having to find success (Marvel did, right out of the gate) with their B/C-list because the big names were unusable. Marvel because they had licensed the rights to their A-list, WB because they've screwed their A-list up so badly it'll take years to untangle.

Obviously tons of differences, but it's sorta funny that Marvel had to succeed without the mutants or Spidey, using lesser knowns like Iron Man and Thor, and now DC has to succeed without Superman or Batman (at least until his next film struggles through production), using Aquaman and Shazam.

I love that Diana dodged the "Trinity bullet" and is now basically the head of the new DCEU trinity (of films that aren't awful).

This is revisionist though, their second movie, The Incredible Hulk, flopped and their third film was Iron Man 2...Also, if we go by box office metrics, neither Thor 1 or Cap 1 would be consider all that successful films now either. The idea that the MCU was this mega hit from the get go is a myth. Even the original Iron Man, considered to this day to be the best MCU film, was completely overshadowed by TDK.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Seems pretty in line with the Kevin Smith reveal (even if that had some holes in it) that Darkseid would come and screw Earth up. I'm sure most would have found it too dark, but I will always lament never seeing the original vision play out.

A shame for sure. Seeing the JL we got makes it even more painful. This all sounded so cool a shame WB did what they did hindsight is 20/20 sure they probably regret now not allowing Snyder to do what he wanted let's be honest it wouldn't have cost them as much money and no way it would have done worse in the BO. I really wish Barry could go back in time and warn WB lol.

3 years on and BvS still talked about shows the impact it has had negative or positive. Most CBM come and go but BvS is here to stay. You'd think the likes of Civil War came out 8 years ago! Snyder should feel proud at what he accomplished in BvS. Personally it is my 2nd fav CBM behind TDK (which I recently saw in IMAX and what an experience that was!)

[Lightning Rider]

We ain't "literally killing the planet". The Greens been promoting that propaganda garbage since the 1970s. In fact, the environmental movement started out as a form of activism to address the kind of pollution that was literally killing humans. It's only recently that the movement has become nothing more than a religious cult full of Luddites who are scared of progress to the point of micromanaging any form of progress, which, IMO, WILL help conserve Earth's "environment".

So the scientific consensus is Luddite garbage? Lol. Let’s keep political agendas to the appropriate threads

[Castling]

Maybe? It's hard to say anything about the future of the DCEU, especially since WB doens't seem to care about having a connected universe these days.

The DCEU is connected; it's just not episodic.

[The Darknight Detective]

Let’s keep political agendas to the appropriate threads

Yes! Not a request, either.

[Osiris-Rex]

So will Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam become the new DC trilogy now?

That presumes that there will be some sort of team up movie with them in it anytime in the future. And with The Batman coming out in a couple years I think Batman will regain his role
as part of the trinity. They will probably figure out what to do with Superman too eventually.

So then what's with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Superman killing Zod?

Zod looked human. I don't think anyone got upset or cared that Superman killed Doomsday.

[Badou]

This is revisionist though, their second movie, The Incredible Hulk, flopped and their third film was Iron Man 2...Also, if we go by box office metrics, neither Thor 1 or Cap 1 would be consider all that successful films now either. The idea that the MCU was this mega hit from the get go is a myth. Even the original Iron Man, considered to this day to be the best MCU film, was completely overshadowed by TDK.

You can't really compare how the market was back before the start of the MCU to now. Ironman, Captain America and even Thor's first movies were successes for back then. There has been such a huge explosion of revenue from overseas and how things are marketed now are a lot different. Like that first Ironman movie grossed $318,412,101 domestic but only grossed a total of $585,174,222 worldwide. If you look at the newly released Aquaman movie it has $334,826,690 domestic, close to what Ironman did a decade ago, and is up to $1,146,926,690 worldwide with the explosion of overseas profits.

[kurenai24]

This is revisionist though, their second movie, The Incredible Hulk, flopped and their third film was Iron Man 2...Also, if we go by box office metrics, neither Thor 1 or Cap 1 would be consider all that successful films now either. The idea that the MCU was this mega hit from the get go is a myth. Even the original Iron Man, considered to this day to be the best MCU film, was completely overshadowed by TDK.

Uh Marvel still doesn't have the rights to Hulk so idk why the The Incredible Hulk movie is even being brought up as if they did before.

And while Ascended shouldn't have used the phrase "right out of the gate", it doesn't take a genius to infer they meant Marvel laid a good foundation with characters who didn't have the popularity (like some of their other properties).

Also The Dark Knight is not part of the DCEU so idk why the popularity of that film and the praise it recieved is being used as an example to compare with Iron Man when the previous post is about the similar way Marvel and DC are getting or have gotten their properties off the ground.

[Pinsir]

You can't really compare how the market was back before the start of the MCU to now. Ironman, Captain America and even Thor's first movies were successes for back then. There has been such a huge explosion of revenue from overseas and how things are marketed now are a lot different. Like that first Ironman movie grossed $318,412,101 domestic but only grossed a total of $585,174,222 worldwide. If you look at the newly released Aquaman movie it has $334,826,690 domestic, close to what Ironman did a decade ago, and is up to $1,146,926,690 worldwide with the explosion of overseas profits.

I agree that the marketplace has changed, though even the domestic numbers for the early MCU films (Thor Cap, Hulk) are lower than any DCEU film. Keep in mind, I'm not saying these movies flopped (well, Hulk probably did) or weren't successful, they just weren't mega hits.

[dswynne]

This is revisionist though, their second movie, The Incredible Hulk, flopped and their third film was Iron Man 2...Also, if we go by box office metrics, neither Thor 1 or Cap 1 would be consider all that successful films now either. The idea that the MCU was this mega hit from the get go is a myth. Even the original Iron Man, considered to this day to be the best MCU film, was completely overshadowed by TDK.

Well, technically, "THE INCREDIBLE HULK" was a Universal film with limited Marvel Studios input (which is why there hasn't been a sequel).