Totally agreed: the Seven Cities, Mera being important, the trident, Aquaman killing Black Manta's father and Ocean Master being from Atlantis are all highmarks of Geoff John's Aquaman.
Johns version of Aquaman was basically a repudiation of PAD's 90s Aquaman, a process which had already started during the Raspler/Tomasi edited waterhand Aquaman book. The two versions are basically diametric opposites in their view of the character.
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Your argument is based on the fact that comic sales dominate how WB sees comic characters as worth being adapted.
From his comic book.And made it popular. Like it or not, it was Johns who made Aquaman a character that WB wasn't very afraid of making a movie based on him.
Again, awarding all the success for those things being Johns' comic book.And yes, WB does care about comics sales and reception. Why the heck do you think GL got a movie and animated show suddenly? Because of the huge success of Hal's return in comics. It doesn't mean that it's the only factor for WB to consider whether to do a movie or series about a character nor I claim that it's.
Do you know who Geoff Johns is and how big he is in Hollywood? Why are you ignoring the fact that he was directly involved of the Hal Jordan movie? He's a big Hal fan, of course he's going to support Hal being the lead, he doesn't need to do this by bringing up his comics.
Once again, no examples of execs relying on comic sales as a reason to make Hal a thing in Hollywood, just take that assumption on blind faith with no evidence. Which execs are doing this? If I don't get any receipts to this I'm going to assume you have nothing to back up that argument.
Those two didn't "ask," they were in the driver's seat of those productions. They don't need comics to justify anything to their producers. Sources, please. And please don't pretend as though Johns himself had nothing to do with the movie, he was a screenwriter on that project and has significant reach in Hollywood himself. He was a show runner on Smallville. Thee reds don't know what PAD's Aquaman but Johns does and he has his own ideas - he's not going to undermine his own things by bringing up PAD's work on the character. They care what sells in their own movies, so far we have no proof Johns Aquaman sales were crucial in him getting his Aquaman on the screen - it wasn't necessary.And saying that GL got a movie and animated show after the successful run in comics is coincidence and happened only because Johns and Timm "asked" is just reaching. Why WB did not care about PAD's rendition? Because it was Johns' rendition that sold and was popular because again, WB exec don't read comics and only care about the results and what sells.
Many critics tore joker apart calling it a taxi driver rip-off and others said it was another "dark and depressing" dc movie and others complained it had nothing to do with with joker and was a indie movie slapped with the batman brand!
There were many critics that hated joker. Some did like it however.
With that said where is steel on that list?
I am pretty sure the WB folks were already looking at Aquaman before Johns.And made it popular. Like it or not, it was Johns who made Aquaman a character that WB wasn't very afraid of making a movie based on him.
And WB wanted a film starring Aquaman since 2004. For 10 years they were trying.
John's comic book sales had nothing to do with it. They were already interest in Aquaman.
As for Green Lantern-a John Stewart movie with plans to introduce everyone in a sequel was the first one in the running in 2007.
Funny the movie and tv show EXCLUDED John Stewart.
Now the eventual script was being worked on before Johns's Secret Origins story was being printed. The writers got inspired to do John's version. The comic NOT its sales helped that film. Marc Guggenheim a writer for MARVEL was the one reading Johns book.
Never heard of this before. Was that supposed John Stewart movie in the running meant to be related to Justice League Mortal since the character was already cast there.
He was excluded from the movie and TV show since they weren't about him. If they were, I imagine Hal would've been excluded from them as well.
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PAD's Aquaman was laughed and ridiculed, for making him a maimed Superhero with that stupid hook hand, who was middle aged man with a grown up son, going after a teen girl (dolphin) who could be his daughter. The art of his run was horrible. Most Aquafans abhor that run.
It was Geoff Johns who remade Aquaman, dragged Mera from obscurity and making her into an awesome character. While PAD had discarded Mera, only to be forced to bring her back when his run was sinking in sales.
Aquaman movie is based on John's run from the Trench to Throne of Atlantis. It's universally acknowledged that Geoff Johns redefined Aquaman characters.
Dan Didio once related that many writers approached him telling him that they had a solution to solve the Aquaman problem and those ideas happened to be all awful. Had there been such awesome PAD run as you claim, why on earth Didio would be approached by all these writers to solve the Aquaman problem?
It was Johns who championed the cause of Aquaman and through Blackest Night and Brightest Day he showed it was possible to make him into an Awesome character. Had there been no Johns, probably Aquaman would have remained unpublished for many years, as at DC they had given up hope.
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They might have been interested in doing an Aquaman movie but not about the Aquaman we know, there was even an attempt to write off Arthur Curry and make an all new character take his place. It Failed!
Didio in person claimed that they had a big Aquaman problem and they did not know what to do with the character. He was approached by many writers and even gave in to the Busiek attempt to remake the character.
It was Johns through Blackest Night and Brightest Day that turned the tide. Eventually leading to his run that practically redefined the character and made it a best seller. Which went beyond expectations. Since then Aquaman is based on what Geoff Johns did.
Steel got a rt score of 12 so yes it should have been on that list! Remove ww84 and put steel on there!
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1078035-steel