DC/WB Films/Worlds (No Spoilers)

[Jokerz79]

I love that nowadays over $397 million on a $90 million budget is it "not doing well at the box office".

These are low estimates but a studio at minimum spends 35 million on Marketing for a blockbuster type film and they receive about 50% of the box office with the other 50 going to the theaters. So, on a film that makes 397 million on a 90 million budget the studio is only looking at about a 73.5 million profit. Nothing to sneeze at but studios are usually looking for bigger profits with blockbusters and this is only if they spent the minimum on marketing.

[lefthanded]

Warner Bros Discovery CEO David Zaslav On Rumored Merger Talks: “We Are Not For Sale”

Zaslav indicated how the industry was going through a tough time, and emphasized that many should have patience. “We have the strongest hand in the industry,” Zaslav told employees, according to sources. “We have everything we need to be successful to be the biggest entertainment media company in the world”.

https://deadline.com/2022/09/warner-...ll-1235129580/

Being totally outside the business aspect of it, seems like there is a huge disconnect between them touting how great their (HBO) stuff is (by showing of White Lotus and Last of Us), and yet constantly undermining HBO/Warner in favor of Discovery. If they were truly being honest, they'd just be talking about Shark Week, with a tacit showing of support for upcoming HBO shows.

[Gaastra]

That is not always true.

It really depends on what material with those guys has been released. There is a lot of stuff that gets released that comic book fans don't know or don't pay attention to.

Remember Man Thing had a movie and there are 5 Man Thing trades out there and one is by RL Stine.

Namor has at least 5 trades all about him already out.

Dr Fate's issue is the same for many- a lack of material sitting in stores before all this.

If we take the Dr Fate solos-the nephew has more trades out than his Uncle. Then lets not forget the mess known as New 52 that was 10 years of Fate not being seen or in a trade.

I'm not talking about trades. I'm talking about non comic fans who only see movies or shows. Swamp thing had two theatre films, two tv shows, cartoon and toyline.

Man-thing had a failed tv movie on cable and agents of shield said his name once.

Dr strange is in the mcu and had a few tv movies before and a radio show in the 60s.

He is clearly more known right now to the public than dr fate.

Yes, namor came first but aquaman is more known to the public thanks to superfriends, toys and his own movie.

Yes, atom came first but ant-man is more known thanks to his movies and avengers films.

They will have to deal with that in the public getting compared to the more known hero.

So, when i said people mistook dr fate for dr strange and atom for ant-man in the black Adom trailer it was non comic reading fans.

Same with those who thought namor was aquaman in the bp2 trailer!

[Last Son of Krypton]

New Black Adam spot: https://twitter.com/blackadamnews/st...01887318945795

[krazijoe]

I love that nowadays over $397 million on a $90 million budget is it "not doing well at the box office".

especially since it was marketed as a kids movie. Only 2 other "kids" movies have done better this year, Minions(#1 movie) and Sonic(#7) and League of Super-Pets (#11).

[BlackClaw]

I'm not talking about trades. I'm talking about non comic fans who only see movies or shows. Swamp thing had two theatre films, two tv shows, cartoon and toyline.

Man-thing had a failed tv movie on cable and agents of shield said his name once.

Dr strange is in the mcu and had a few tv movies before and a radio show in the 60s.

He is clearly more known right now to the public than dr fate.

Yes, namor came first but aquaman is more known to the public thanks to superfriends, toys and his own movie.

Yes, atom came first but ant-man is more known thanks to his movies and avengers films.

They will have to deal with that in the public getting compared to the more known hero.

So, when i said people mistook dr fate for dr strange and atom for ant-man in the black Adom trailer it was non comic reading fans.

Same with those who thought namor was aquaman in the bp2 trailer!

Let’s not forget that Thanos is more well known to casuals than Darkseid thanks to the MCU.

[Johnny]

I don't understand what mainstream recognition has to do with anything. When a Guardians of the Galaxy movie can make more money than a Justice League movie then I don't think popularity matters at this point at all. Noone cares if some casuals see Darkseid and laughably think of him is a ripoff of Thanos, as long as they do a good movie with Darkseid as the villain.

[Last Son of Krypton]

[Gaastra]

Black Adom pre-tickets are now on sale. We will have a hint on how well it will do in a few days with the pre sales.

I don't understand what mainstream recognition has to do with anything. When a Guardians of the Galaxy movie can make more money than a Justice League movie then I don't think popularity matters at this point at all. Noone cares if some casuals see Darkseid and laughably think of him is a ripoff of Thanos, as long as they do a good movie with Darkseid as the villain.

Umm? We were not talking about if the film will do good or bad. Brought up a few pages ago some trailer reactions confused atom for ant-man and dr fate for dr strange and that is what we were talking about not if the film does good or bad from it.

[skyvolt2000]

I'm not talking about trades. I'm talking about non comic fans who only see movies or shows. Swamp thing had two theatre films, two tv shows, cartoon and toyline.

Man-thing had a failed tv movie on cable and agents of shield said his name once.

Dr strange is in the mcu and had a few tv movies before and a radio show in the 60s.

He is clearly more known right now to the public than dr fate.

Yes, namor came first but aquaman is more known to the public thanks to superfriends, toys and his own movie.

Yes, atom came first but ant-man is more known thanks to his movies and avengers films.

They will have to deal with that in the public getting compared to the more known hero.

So, when i said people mistook dr fate for dr strange and atom for ant-man in the black Adom trailer it was non comic reading fans.

Same with those who thought namor was aquaman in the bp2 trailer!

Well don't feel bad-one of my co-workers thought the background photo on my computer was Dr Fate.

It was Static.

Now mind you he was talking about Nashir Dr Fate not his uncle.

[Last Son of Krypton]

Warner Bros. Discovery’s DC Chief Is the Best Job in Hollywood That Nobody Wants

”A Kevin Feige doesn’t just appear,“ an insider tells TheWrap

Running DC Films could be the sexiest job in Hollywood. Comic book fans were ecstatic when new Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav declared his commitment to finding a Kevin Feige-type leader to take the reins of DC, Warner Bros.’ crown jewel for big-screen franchises, with an ambitious 10-year plan. And for the right person, the job offers the chance to shape beloved characters like Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman — and be as revered in fan circles as Feige has been for Marvel aficiandos worldwide.

So after several months of searching, why has no one emerged to take the position? Franchise film producer Dan Lin recently turned down the job after talks with Zaslav fell apart. Studio representatives say Lin wasn’t “the” candidate and that others are in the mix.

But so far, no other contender has emerged to lead a division that has seen three regime changes in only five years (Greg Silverman, Geoff Johns and Jon Berg, followed soon by Walter Hamada) and a particularly turbulent, up-and-down run with both comic-book fans and general audiences. Given all the challenges at DC and its parent company, many Hollywood insiders suggest that the real question may be: Why would anyone want the job in the first place?

“It is a very narrow group of people who can run and effectively get DC films back on track while handling the creative, business and — let’s be frank — the political minefields that come with that job,” one top Hollywood producer told TheWrap.

A Warner Bros. Discovery representative declined to comment about the search.

Here’s a breakdown of some of the challenges for anybody who takes on the job.

1. An unknown future slate
After pledging to make DC into a rival of Disney’s Marvel Studios, Zaslav scrapped the nearly completed $90 million spinoff “Batgirl,” delayed the “Aquaman” sequel release by nine months to December 2023 and are currently dealing with an already-shot spinoff of “The Flash” as its star, Ezra Miller, faces multiple allegations of physical assault and even child grooming.

The new DC boss will have to deal with the hits and misses as the current DC slate rolls out over the next two years. “The Flash” is an interesting situation as the film is supposed to reset the DC timeline going forward. The new DC boss might have a plan of his own, but they will be tied by the threads created in the movie, which will dictate how the new slate will move forward.

Additionally, the film might be marketed without its troubled leading star, Miller, who was profiled recently in Vanity Fair and is currently undergoing therapy for their self-admitted “complex mental health issues.” The Vanity Fair profile paints a picture of a person who’s not only dangerous, manipulative and abusive, but also, according to their ex-fiancée, has “illusions of grandeur.”

People familiar with Lin’s decision told TheWrap he was particularly concerned about the shelving of “Batgirl,” a film in the works for years and nearly completed, in part so that Warner Bros. could take a tax write-off related to projects abandoned post-merger. But Warner Bros. Discovery CFO Gunnar Wiedenfels said that canning the movie was “blown out of proportion a little bit” and explained that the company is committed to spending more than ever on content while still taking “a more rational approach.”

2. A micromanaging CEO
David Zaslav’s hands-on management style as CEO of the newly merged Warner Bros. Discovery isn’t winning over fans, according to numerous industry insiders.

It’s widely been reported that Zaslav likes to start early and have meetings at 7 a.m. One top agent who spoke to TheWrap says 7 a.m. calls are par for the course and will be expected of anybody who takes on the job. History has shown that unwanted calls can become a huge burden.

“Random calls are what famously led to Lorenzo DiBonaventura’s departure as head of Warner Bros.,” a top agent said. DiBonaventura, who in 2002 was EVP of Worldwide Motion Pictures at the studio, clashed frequently with then boss Alan Horn. “He just got tired of it. That is the very nature of the job.”

And Zaslav isn’t the only stakeholder to keep happy. “You’re not getting them from just someone like Zaslav,” the agent said. “Talent like a James Wan, Todd Phillips, etc. would also constantly call.”

But also the intervention of Zaslav might be particularly challenging for any new DC boss since all of the candidates whose names have been floated, including Lin, have far more experience with big-screen theatrical releases than Zaslav, whose entire career has been spent in broadcast and cable TV.

“Why would Dan Lin want to take the job? DC is a huge priority for Zaslav, but who wants to come on board and lead a film division that’s already canceled a film that was ready to go. And have a micromanaging CEO?” said one producer who works with Warner Bros.

3. The Kevin Feige comparisons
Zaslav has done himself no favors in how he’s framed the position, last month telling investors on an earnings call that the company’s restructuring centered on creating a team with a 10-year plan focusing just on DC… similar to the structure that Alan Horn and Bob Iger put together very effectively with Kevin Feige at Disney,” referring to Marvel President Feige.

The problem, as one studio insider told TheWrap: “A Kevin doesn’t just appear.”

Feige’s rise is legendary. After scoring an internship with producers Richard and Lauren Shuler Donner while he was a student at USC, he rose quickly through the ranks from production assistant on films like “Volcano” and “You Got Mail” to a producing credit on Shuler Donner’s 2000 film “X-Men” — a promotion he landed due to his encyclopedic knowledge of the Marvel universe. That also impressed Avi Arad, then Marvel Entertainment CEO, who made Feige his second in command.

By age 33, Feige became Marvel Studios chief — a job that expanded after Disney acquired the company in 2007. Twenty-nine movies and over $27 billion in worldwide box office later, Feige would have the most unprecedented hit streak in the history of the movie business, solidifying his unicorn status.

“Looking for a Feige is silly,” another producer said. “Feige studied movies under Lauren Donner and Marvel under Avi Arad. He knew both worlds.”

4. Creative autonomy
One reason for Feige’s success is the almost unprecedented amount of creative and business autonomy he has been given by Disney over just about every aspect of Marvel’s operations in film, TV and even comic books — a broad portfolio he’s had since 2019 with authority over everything from story lines to talent to budgets.

But anyone hired for the DC role is likely to face many more constraints, both creatively and financially, at least until they can establish a track record for success.

According to insiders, Zaslav holds the greenlight power for movies, and whoever steps into the DC role won’t have the latitude that Feige has at Disney. While Zaslav “aspires” to turn DC into a vertical, one insider said, the notion that a DC boss would have any creative or financial control of the division’s content is a “pipe dream.”

“There is no ‘other Feige,'” the second producer said. “Warners will never give autonomy like that to one person.”

[Last Son of Krypton]

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5. The DC job isn’t the only game in town
The other problem facing Warner is that that there are other companies which offer more latitude and are currently looking for a movie chief — including Amazon Studios, especially since MGM heads De Luca and Abdy jumped to Warner Bros. just as the online retailer completed its acquisition of MGM earlier this year.

The nature of the gig may also be a turnoff for some experienced studio execs. “Well, they’re certainly shooting for the top and the fact that the job is so limited — just DC titles — perhaps makes it less attractive for the level of executive they’re going after,” the agent said. “While at the same time, the Amazon job is open — which offers a full slate.”

Given the obstacles, Warner Bros. Discovery still has time. “The release slate keeps getting pushed back, so that allows them to take their time with this position,” the agent said.

6. Warner already has a comics expert in its stable
Until Zaslav finds his unicorn, according to the Warner insider, newly installed studio CEOs Mike De Luca and Pam Abdy will run DC as part of their purview. And De Luca has experience in the comics space: He developed the Marvel’s “Blade” franchise in the late ’90s when he was an exec at New Line and even tried to get “Iron Man” made until the studio’s option on the character lapsed.

That’s led some in Hollywood to question the need for Warner to seek out its own Feige-like executive at all. “De Luca knows comics. He knows films. They already have what they need,” the second producer said.

But according to the Warner insider, De Luca and Abdy only have greenlight authority on projects with budgets under $35 million (which an industry insider said is “par for the course for every studio chief except for Feige”) — which limits their ability to reshape the DC film landscape without the buy-in of Zaslav.

7. It can be more lucrative to remain a free agent
The contenders for the job so far have been more traditional film producers, like Dan Lin, than seasoned executives from other studios.

But successful producers bring all sort of complications — including commitments to projects set up at rival studios. Lin’s Rideback banner has stakes in franchises ranging from MGM’s “The Pink Panther” reboot to Disney tentpoles like “Aladdin 2” and “Haunted Mansion” — as well as Warner series like the “Lego” and “It” franchises.

And often, producer fees are more lucrative than any studio job — with less of the bureaucratic hassle.

8. How much runway will the new DC boss have?
Not only will the new DC boss be saddled with rolling out a full slate of projects that they had no hand in shaping, but there are questions about Warner Bros. Discovery’s medium- and long-term viability as a standalone company.

As a result of the $43 million merger, the company has about $50 billion in debt. As a result, there have been a wave of layoffs to reduce overhead as well as a scaling back of projects, from “Batgirl” to dozens of films and series that have been pulled from the company’s streaming services, HBO Max and Discovery+.

But the stock has taken a nosedive that’s seen $20 billion of value wiped away since April — prompting talk that Warner Bros. Discovery could become an acquisition target (with Comcast regarded as a possible suitor with plans to merge WBD with NBCUniversal).

While Zaslav has shot down such speculation — on Wednesday, he said the company is “not for sale” in an employee town hall — the prospect of enduring another regime change could weigh heavily on candidates for the DC gig. The average DC movie takes three years to take from initial development to release — meaning that the soonest a DC slate under a new team would reach audiences is probably 2026.

9. A fan base of very vocal trolls
While Feige is universally beloved by Marvel fans, the revolving door of executives who have led DC over the last decade have faced a far darker, more vocal community of diehards.

The Twitter cult that called for the 2021 restoration of director Zack Snyder’s abandoned cut of the 2017 big-screen flop “Justice League” harassed Warner execs ad naseum for the filmmaker to be given creative control of the DC slate.

And they can be a relentless in their troll-like behavior, even going as far as to harass the children of execs and death threats, as outgoing DC boss Walter Hamada recently experienced, according to a recent Rolling Stone report on Snyder’s Twitter cult.

Link: https://www.thewrap.com/warner-bros-...st-job-zaslav/

[Vordan]

TL;DR Despite saying he wants a Feige, Zaslav doesn’t intend to give up much power. He’s still going to be the one deciding what gets greenlighted or not, and the new DC head is going to be stuck trying to deal with Zaslav’s demands as well as the demands of the creatives. For all intents and purposes, Zaslav is the new DC head.

[Frontier]

TL;DR Despite saying he wants a Feige, Zaslav doesn’t intend to give up much power. He’s still going to be the one deciding what gets greenlighted or not, and the new DC head is going to be stuck trying to deal with Zaslav’s demands as well as the demands of the creatives. For all intents and purposes, Zaslav is the new DC head.

I foresee this ending well .

[Johnny]

“Warners will never give autonomy like that to one person.”

This is something that people, especially the so-called "cult", finally need to understand when they keep placing the blame on certain individuals they conveniently happen to dislike. Not one specific individual "ruined" the DCEU because they never had the power to do that. The blame should always be placed on the people at the top. If whoever this new "DC boss" turns out to be, ends up "running" a slate that flops too, the responsibility for its performance won't entirely sit on his or her shoulders either because they'd never have the kind of power that Feige did, just like none of the previous regimes had that kind of power as well. If Zaslav is as micromanaging as this makes him sound and we keep getting a bunch of bad flops you know who to blame for it and it won't be the talking head he eventually decides to put "in charge" of the DC slate.