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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Probably reasonable to assume that he got out the base Batman loadout and they stopped developing that side of the business and just focused on the stuff Bruce wanted the company to focus on.
    Maybe or maybe not.Bruce and lucius quit.Otherwise,if batman stuck around.He would have wanted weapons.He basically made the inventory vanish and go underground (he stole from himself).So, it's a good thing alfred made his stubborn ass quit and get a life with selina.As said,the intent of these guys were almost same.The only difference is tony is constantly called out.While bruce is unaccountable for his action.

    Jon blake inherits bruces "batman".The justification for batman's existence is given by " structures becoming shackles".He then gives aways everything he owns to charity and other things.He makes wayne mansion an orphanage.Bruce maybe did redeem himself through "Robin".who knows?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakanai View Post
    Again, feels like a stretch to justify it because preference because that's how it was done years ago. But I think that the film made more sense going with Stark. An improvement.
    Agreed. And a former weapons manufacturer who has changed his ways but still ended up accidently creating a weapon that threatens the entire world makes for a very compelling story. It fit very well into the overall story arc of MCU Tony Stark (who is easily the best superhero in any media IMO)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kid View Post
    Agreed. And a former weapons manufacturer who has changed his ways but still ended up accidently creating a weapon that threatens the entire world makes for a very compelling story. It fit very well into the overall story arc of MCU Tony Stark (who is easily the best superhero in any media IMO)
    Of course because of Tony's image and character they didn't really have it weigh on Tony as much as Ultron has on Hank in other adaptions outside his issues in Civil War. Of course Hank has genuine mental problems on top of that which didn't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Of course because of Tony's image and character they didn't really have it weigh on Tony as much as Ultron has on Hank in other adaptions outside his issues in Civil War. Of course Hank has genuine mental problems on top of that which didn't help.
    Idk. The events of Age of Ultron directly influence how Tony acts in Civil War. It's almost a direct sequel to how his story went in Age of Ultron. It shouldn't be discounted since it clearly had a big effect. Movies are full stories so they won't repeat the same 'Hank is guilty over Ultron' thing over the course of like five films (thank God). MCU Tony's a guy who struggles between wanting to be ready for the next big threat (Thanos PTSD after Avengers 1) and not that desire backfiring (Age of Ultron). All very compelling stuff

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    It's kind of a surreal point of Michael Keaton's career, isn't it?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Kid View Post
    Idk. The events of Age of Ultron directly influence how Tony acts in Civil War. It's almost a direct sequel to how his story went in Age of Ultron. It shouldn't be discounted since it clearly had a big effect. Movies are full stories so they won't repeat the same 'Hank is guilty over Ultron' thing over the course of like five films (thank God). MCU Tony's a guy who struggles between wanting to be ready for the next big threat (Thanos PTSD after Avengers 1) and not that desire backfiring (Age of Ultron). All very compelling stuff
    That's why I said "outside Civil War" but I was more comparing it to how Earth's Mightiest Heroes handled the fallout of Ultron with Hank compared to how it handled Tony, but Ultron felt more dangerous and personal there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vordan View Post
    He seems like a Nolan type that just gravitates towards the grounded and moody Bat-stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kid View Post
    Idk. The events of Age of Ultron directly influence how Tony acts in Civil War. It's almost a direct sequel to how his story went in Age of Ultron. It shouldn't be discounted since it clearly had a big effect. Movies are full stories so they won't repeat the same 'Hank is guilty over Ultron' thing over the course of like five films (thank God). MCU Tony's a guy who struggles between wanting to be ready for the next big threat (Thanos PTSD after Avengers 1) and not that desire backfiring (Age of Ultron). All very compelling stuff

    Yeah, we went from Iron Man II with him flipping off Congress because he's privatized peace and screw all of you, I'll do what I want because I'm smarter than all of you put together... To Yeah... we need to be regulated and have something overseeing our decisions. We can't just do what we want, when we want!!!


    What happened inbetween there? Ultron.

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    Actually, Tony's arc and steve's arc were set from starting movie.From an arm's dealer to a vigilante to a soldier.
    Steve's from a skinny guy from Brooklyn to a soldier american icon to a fugitive icon.

    Steve always fought for freedom.Tony? accountability.He privatised world peace cause his weapons were being used by terrorists.At the core that remained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vordan View Post
    Figured as much, since Pattinson said he doesn’t even consider Batman a superhero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robotman View Post
    Figured as much, since Pattinson said he doesn’t even consider Batman a superhero.
    Always with the Batman Hot Takes .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    He seems like a Nolan type that just gravitates towards the grounded and moody Bat-stuff.
    Let's hope WB don't convince him to do it anyway, nothing good will come from it, we'll end up with Snyder or Timm again.

    I want whoever take Superman next, to have no plans of bring Batman or anyone in, let's Superman be Superman without worry about how Batman or any other character would fit.

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    Batman being quarantined away from the rest of the DCU is unironically the best thing for the rest of the DCU. Otherwise you just get Batman being shoved into everything and hijacking the spotlight away from everyone else, which is what happened under Snyder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vordan View Post
    Batman being quarantined away from the rest of the DCU is unironically the best thing for the rest of the DCU. Otherwise you just get Batman being shoved into everything and hijacking the spotlight away from everyone else, which is what happened under Snyder.
    Well, it seems like that might still happen in some form with Keaton. I think there were rumors of them setting him up as a Nick Fury type for DC movies moving forward. He just won't be suiting up.

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