DC/WB Films/Worlds (No Spoilers)

[Myskin]

Marvel would have to release a slew of movies consecutively akin to ETERNALS for it to actually lose steam.

The issue with DC is that they don't have that singular voice in charge of the creative development of its film franchise. It was Zack Snyder, then kind of Geoff Johns, then it was a multiverse approach, and now it seems they want back to an extended universe. But they don't have a Kevin Feige to bring everything together.

It's just what it is. Their comics division is a mess so why wouldn't the film universe be also?

This.
I mean, it has been obvious for, I don't know, 5 or 6 years. The only reason there's no need to turn everything into a Marvel vs DC thing again is that at this point it would be like hitting a man when he's down. I don't know how many people realize that Feige hasn't even started to make movies or series about the Fantastic Four or the mutants, and there so many potential franchises about them that in 10 years or so I am not even sure people will remember that DC exists. Heck, they are making a full series about Agatha Harkness for God's sake.
By the way, it's not that a Dwayne Johnson Black Adam movie is a real response to it. The movie will probably make a lot of money, since every stinker with the Rock in it makes a lot of money, apparently. But rather than a DC movie it is a the Rock movie in which he plays a character who incidentally resembles a DC comics hero (or anti-hero, whatever).

[Vordan]

Are they doing a Fandome this year? Last year’s was announced in April, and we haven’t gotten any sign that they’ll be doing one this year.

[chamber-music]

Jesus DC got their asses handed to them this year. Marvel is gonna drop two avengers movies in the same year and meanwhile they still don’t know what to do with Superman.

It feels like WB sometimes doesn't believe in their DC properties outside of Batman. They hit big with Aquaman and Wonder Woman but then seem to lose confidence when their other DC properties don't perform as well.

Marvel seems to go all in and if something doesn't do as well then they adjust. Marvel always have another big hit movie in the pipeline that will win audiences over so they don't seem to get shaken up.

[Agent Z]

It feels like WB sometimes doesn't believe in their DC properties outside of Batman. They hit big with Aquaman and Wonder Woman but then seem to lose confidence when their other DC properties don't perform as well.

Marvel seems to go all in and if something doesn't do as well then they adjust. Marvel always have another big hit movie in the pipeline that will win audiences over so they don't seem to get shaken up.

Why are people still saying this even after we're getting a Black Adam and Blue Beetle movie and a Sandman show? To say nothing of the recent Green Lantern animated movie which doesn't even feature Batman.

[HsssH]

Because people only watch and read Batman. And then complain that there is nothing else out there.

[Robotman]

There has been some serious doom and gloom from DC fans over the years but today was one for the books. Cavill didn’t show up and suddenly DC may as well file for bankruptcy and sell off their properties.

WB is in a transition phase with the Discovery changeover. It’s going to be at least a year before they get their new “show runner”. They didn’t even want to be at Comic Con this year. They had a weak showing because this was literally the least they could do.

You have Black Adam fighting Dr. Fate and Hawkman on the big screen. Enjoy it.

[Agent Z]

At this rate, DC fans have surpassed Star Wars fans in how much they can hate their supposed favorite media.

[Myskin]

Because people only watch and read Batman. And then complain that there is nothing else out there.

It's not even about what people read IMHO. The comic division is a mess, they clearly lack direction and Jim Lee has stated that if they introduce a new character in their comic books it is because they are going to use it in an adaptation, which is a more elegant way to say that they don't even care about the books anymore. But the problem is that making a Batman movie at this point is 100% easier than making a Superman movie, or - especially after WW84 - a Wonder Woman movie IMHO.
A movie like the Dark Knight or Joker would have been impossible in the 1970s, but it could be done thanks to all the versions and adaptations of the character which came before it. They showed what could work about the character and what couldn't, what could be potentially interesting and what should be dealt with in order to make it work. Burton's Batman was possible BECAUSE there had been an Adam West Batman before it. They saw that it was just a silly, vintage adaptation and they decided to take a different direction. But in order to do this you need a vision and a plan, and DC doesn't have either, nor in the movies nor in the comics.
I mean, there are people who keep complaining that WB should make MOS 2 with Cavill (almost 10 frickin' years after the first one!) even if those movies never fully convinced the audience (if more people had bought that vision we would have had MOS 2 years ago) and everybody and their uncle knows that Superman is extremely difficult to work as a character (I mean, everybody and their uncle except for some DC fans, apparently). If Feige had been in charge of DC movies 10 years ago, he would have used John Byrne Superman as a blueprint - erasing the most dated elements, of course, and adding more details from other versions of the character - and right now we would have 3-4 successful Superman movies. And even if they hadn't been masterpieces (are there Marvel Studios masterpieces?) Superman would play a way more prominent role in pop culture right now.

[Agent Z]

It's not even about what people read IMHO. The comic division is a mess, they clearly lack direction and Jim Lee has stated that if they introduce a new character in their comic books it is because they are going to use it in an adaptation, which is a more elegant way to say that they don't even care about the books anymore. But the problem is that making a Batman movie at this point is 100% easier than making a Superman movie, or - especially after WW84 - a Wonder Woman movie IMHO.
A movie like the Dark Knight or Joker would have been impossible in the 1970s, but it could be done thanks to all the versions and adaptations of the character which came before it. They showed what could work about the character and what couldn't, what could be potentially interesting and what should be dealt with in order to make it work. Burton's Batman was possible BECAUSE there had been an Adam West Batman before it. They saw that it was just a silly, vintage adaptation and they decided to take a different direction. But in order to do this you need a vision and a plan, and DC doesn't have either, nor in the movies nor in the comics.
I mean, there are people who keep complaining that WB should make MOS 2 with Cavill (almost 10 frickin' years after the first one!) even if those movies never fully convinced the audience (if more people had bought that vision we would have had MOS 2 years ago) and everybody and their uncle knows that Superman is extremely difficult to work as a character (I mean, everybody and their uncle except for some DC fans, apparently). If Feige had been in charge of DC movies 10 years ago, he would have used John Byrne Superman as a blueprint - erasing the most dated elements, of course, and adding more details from other versions of the character - and right now we would have 3-4 successful Superman movies. And even if they hadn't been masterpieces (are there Marvel Studios masterpieces?) Superman would play a way more prominent role in pop culture right now.

If you're going to base Superman's success on some arbitrary rule for pop culture prominence, you're never going to be satisfied.

[Rac7d*]

Are they doing a Fandome this year? Last year’s was announced in April, and we haven’t gotten any sign that they’ll be doing one this year.

the people who supported that got fired

[Johnny]

So Deadline mentions in the end of their article about DC at SDCC that FanDome is still happening.

https://deadline.com/2022/07/black-a...ge-1235075519/

"Also missing from Warner Bros Hall H was any tease for 2023’s Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom and The Flash. The studio still has the virtual DC FanDome coming up, so we’re likely to see more there."

[Jack The Tripper]

So Deadline mentions in the end of their article about DC at SDCC that FanDome is still happening.

https://deadline.com/2022/07/black-a...ge-1235075519/

Deadline reported the Cavill rumours….

I’m joking - I think it’s likely Fandome May happen this year with less of a marketing push. Last years was SUCH a let down that I think they’ve probably decided to hype it up less, so that what comes out of it gets higher praise

I do find it strange they didn’t have anything Aquaman related though, or even Superpets. I know there’s the Amber Heard stuff, but you don’t even need to show her in a teaser trailer. Even just release an exclusive clip or something

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

Why are people still saying this even after we're getting a Black Adam and Blue Beetle movie and a Sandman show? To say nothing of the recent Green Lantern animated movie which doesn't even feature Batman.

AND the fact that Shazam is getting a sequel (which looks great, btw) even though the first movie (which was also great) only did...okay at the box office.

[skyvolt2000]

Why are people still saying this even after we're getting a Black Adam and Blue Beetle movie and a Sandman show? To say nothing of the recent Green Lantern animated movie which doesn't even feature Batman.

The film that is enduring the hate of Hal Jordan fans? Some who have openly encourage folks to NOT buy it because it "disrespects" Hal and screw John?

Also most fans are frustrated that Marvel took a lot of their trash and made them box office hits along with introducing characters that entitled comic book fans act like should never existed.

Along with another group that don't count those as some of them DISRESPECT the source material-since hiring the best person who a role seem to only apply if you are a certain skin color as Sandman's saga has been. An issue that seems to run wild everywhere to be fair.

[HestiasHearth]

Wonder Woman and Aquaman were gigantic hits, and despite some bumps in the road (WW84, the whole AmberDepp scandal) we are getting Wonder Woman 3 and Aquaman 2. Black Adam and Shazam: Fury of the Gods look great. Blue Beetle looks promising and so does Batgirl. It's not true that DC/WBD only care about Batman. The one thing that I am happy about more than anything else is that Snyder is not in charge anymore. You can create a superhero universe that sets itself apart from the MCU's tone WITHOUT making it a dirge-like, funereal, joyless bore (and a chore to watch). That is what Snyder concocted in MOS, BvS, and JL. And that is why they failed to generate any kind of love from general audiences or a substantial profit margin. I mean, WBD spent 1.5 billion making and marketing three blockbuster movies that COMBINED made a profit of less than 150 million. Facts and stats will always trump the delusional demands of a vocal minority of stans who did not put their money where their hashtags were. As long as Snyder stays away, the DCEU will be fine.