DC/WB Films/Worlds (No Spoilers)

[Sutekh]

Surprised by some of the placements on the list. Surprised batman and robin was not first then again superman 4 was pretty bad. Looks like the 80s supergirl avoided the list.

Bah, the Losers totally doesn't belong on this list. That was a fun movie!

[Vakanai]

MSN has a list of the top 20 worst critic reviewed dc movies. Shocked batman and robin is not in first place!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/new...lp?ocid=msnews

20. Wonder woman 84
19. birds of prey
18. Joker
17. Watchman
16. Man of steel
15. Aquaman
14. Batman forever
13. Sawmp thing 80s movie
12. Constintine
11. Justice league
10. Superman 3
9. The losers
8. Batman v superman
7. Suicide squad
6. Return of swamp thing
5. Green lantern
4. Jonah hex
3. Batman and robin
2. Catwoman
1. Superman 4

Surprised by some of the placements on the list. Surprised batman and robin was not first then again superman 4 was pretty bad. Looks like the 80s supergirl avoided the list.

...how is Joker on this list at all? And I liked Watchmen.

[SiegePerilous02]

Their issue is the studio is largely reactionary, and every time there's a setback it causes them to shift plans and reevaluate things. Green Lantern is gonna be the start of our Marvel-style shared universe! Oh wait, nobody cares about Green Lantern, so now that's gonna be Man of Steel! Batman v Superman is gonna launch an entire series of spin-offs and a two-part Justice League movie! Whoops, that got terrible reviews and even worse box office legs, so now Justice League is just one movie, and we're gonna totally rewrite and reshoot it in the middle of filming with a new director! Oops, nobody liked that either? Uh, well cancel some of those spin-offs! Uh, Ben Affleck doesn't wanna be Batman anymore? Multiverse! Just say Multiverse! It never stops. Flash is at least a partial victim of that, as part of the holdup was them parting ways with Rick Famuyiwa when they suddenly no longer wanted his more serious take after BVS underpeformed.

I'm legit a little bit worried what the reception to WW84 will cause them to do for its sequel, for this very reason.

[Bruce Wayne]

Peter David's AQUAMAN has nothing to do with the movie. The movie is totally from Geoff Johns Aquaman, with a good mixture of classic Aquaman. James Wan really worked a lot of great stuff into it, I can't wait to see where he goes with sequels- the dude rocks.

Totally agreed: the Seven Cities, Mera being important, the trident, Aquaman killing Black Manta's father and Ocean Master being from Atlantis are all highmarks of Geoff John's Aquaman.

Only because WB execs don't usually read comic books, or they'd know about PAD's rendition. Unfortunately PAD isn't a high rank WB exec like Johns is. Johns' Aquaman isn't even that originally, it's building on what PAD created before him.

Johns version of Aquaman was basically a repudiation of PAD's 90s Aquaman, a process which had already started during the Raspler/Tomasi edited waterhand Aquaman book. The two versions are basically diametric opposites in their view of the character.

[John Venus]

They, and their studios, are absolutely in competition. I don't know where you'd get the idea otherwise. And WB/DC is losing, badly.

Look up 'Fiege and Geoff Johns' on Youtube. They are both former colleagues on Richard Donner's productions and they are friends IRL. There is good sportsmanship among the top brass unlike the toxic wasteland that the fans have created.

[Frontier]

Johns version of Aquaman was basically a repudiation of PAD's 90s Aquaman, a process which had already started during the Raspler/Tomasi edited waterhand Aquaman book. The two versions are basically diametric opposites in their view of the character.

One of the last scenes of the run has Mera telling Arthur to shave the beard .

[Steel Inquisitor]

English isn't my first, but I'm pretty sure my posts are not unreadable that you people have hard time getting my point.

Nowhere did I claim that comics sales and reception are the most important and the only thing WB consider because of course they don't and of course they don't bother reading comics, but claiming that WB doesn't care at all is pretty delusional. There's a reason why they keep them around and there are people who it's their job to see what sells and report it to the exec.

Your argument is based on the fact that comic sales dominate how WB sees comic characters as worth being adapted.

And made it popular. Like it or not, it was Johns who made Aquaman a character that WB wasn't very afraid of making a movie based on him.

From his comic book.

And yes, WB does care about comics sales and reception. Why the heck do you think GL got a movie and animated show suddenly? Because of the huge success of Hal's return in comics. It doesn't mean that it's the only factor for WB to consider whether to do a movie or series about a character nor I claim that it's.

Again, awarding all the success for those things being Johns' comic book.

Do you know who Geoff Johns is and how big he is in Hollywood? Why are you ignoring the fact that he was directly involved of the Hal Jordan movie? He's a big Hal fan, of course he's going to support Hal being the lead, he doesn't need to do this by bringing up his comics.

Once again, no examples of execs relying on comic sales as a reason to make Hal a thing in Hollywood, just take that assumption on blind faith with no evidence. Which execs are doing this? If I don't get any receipts to this I'm going to assume you have nothing to back up that argument.

And saying that GL got a movie and animated show after the successful run in comics is coincidence and happened only because Johns and Timm "asked" is just reaching. Why WB did not care about PAD's rendition? Because it was Johns' rendition that sold and was popular because again, WB exec don't read comics and only care about the results and what sells.

Those two didn't "ask," they were in the driver's seat of those productions. They don't need comics to justify anything to their producers. Sources, please. And please don't pretend as though Johns himself had nothing to do with the movie, he was a screenwriter on that project and has significant reach in Hollywood himself. He was a show runner on Smallville. Thee reds don't know what PAD's Aquaman but Johns does and he has his own ideas - he's not going to undermine his own things by bringing up PAD's work on the character. They care what sells in their own movies, so far we have no proof Johns Aquaman sales were crucial in him getting his Aquaman on the screen - it wasn't necessary.

[Gaius]

...how is Joker on this list at all? And I liked Watchmen.

It's not a very good movie.

[Gaastra]

Many critics tore joker apart calling it a taxi driver rip-off and others said it was another "dark and depressing" dc movie and others complained it had nothing to do with with joker and was a indie movie slapped with the batman brand!

There were many critics that hated joker. Some did like it however.

With that said where is steel on that list?

[skyvolt2000]

And made it popular. Like it or not, it was Johns who made Aquaman a character that WB wasn't very afraid of making a movie based on him.

I am pretty sure the WB folks were already looking at Aquaman before Johns.

And WB wanted a film starring Aquaman since 2004. For 10 years they were trying.

John's comic book sales had nothing to do with it. They were already interest in Aquaman.


As for Green Lantern-a John Stewart movie with plans to introduce everyone in a sequel was the first one in the running in 2007.
Funny the movie and tv show EXCLUDED John Stewart.

Now the eventual script was being worked on before Johns's Secret Origins story was being printed. The writers got inspired to do John's version. The comic NOT its sales helped that film. Marc Guggenheim a writer for MARVEL was the one reading Johns book.

[Johnny]

Never heard of this before. Was that supposed John Stewart movie in the running meant to be related to Justice League Mortal since the character was already cast there.

He was excluded from the movie and TV show since they weren't about him. If they were, I imagine Hal would've been excluded from them as well.

[The_Lurk]

Many critics tore joker apart calling it a taxi driver rip-off and others said it was another "dark and depressing" dc movie and others complained it had nothing to do with with joker and was a indie movie slapped with the batman brand!

There were many critics that hated joker. Some did like it however.

With that said where is steel on that list?

It could not make it because it would have pushed their WW84 entry off the list which was required for the clickbaits.

[Goldrake]

Peter David did the bearded shirtless bad ass version of Aquaman in the comics way before Geoff Johns touched the character. PAD is more responsible for turning the character from the Superfriend who talks to fish into the undersea warrior king than anyone else.

PAD's Aquaman was laughed and ridiculed, for making him a maimed Superhero with that stupid hook hand, who was middle aged man with a grown up son, going after a teen girl (dolphin) who could be his daughter. The art of his run was horrible. Most Aquafans abhor that run.

It was Geoff Johns who remade Aquaman, dragged Mera from obscurity and making her into an awesome character. While PAD had discarded Mera, only to be forced to bring her back when his run was sinking in sales.

Aquaman movie is based on John's run from the Trench to Throne of Atlantis. It's universally acknowledged that Geoff Johns redefined Aquaman characters.

Dan Didio once related that many writers approached him telling him that they had a solution to solve the Aquaman problem and those ideas happened to be all awful. Had there been such awesome PAD run as you claim, why on earth Didio would be approached by all these writers to solve the Aquaman problem?

It was Johns who championed the cause of Aquaman and through Blackest Night and Brightest Day he showed it was possible to make him into an Awesome character. Had there been no Johns, probably Aquaman would have remained unpublished for many years, as at DC they had given up hope.

[Goldrake]

I am pretty sure the WB folks were already looking at Aquaman before Johns.

And WB wanted a film starring Aquaman since 2004. For 10 years they were trying.

John's comic book sales had nothing to do with it. They were already interest in Aquaman.


As for Green Lantern-a John Stewart movie with plans to introduce everyone in a sequel was the first one in the running in 2007.
Funny the movie and tv show EXCLUDED John Stewart.

Now the eventual script was being worked on before Johns's Secret Origins story was being printed. The writers got inspired to do John's version. The comic NOT its sales helped that film. Marc Guggenheim a writer for MARVEL was the one reading Johns book.

They might have been interested in doing an Aquaman movie but not about the Aquaman we know, there was even an attempt to write off Arthur Curry and make an all new character take his place. It Failed!
Didio in person claimed that they had a big Aquaman problem and they did not know what to do with the character. He was approached by many writers and even gave in to the Busiek attempt to remake the character.

It was Johns through Blackest Night and Brightest Day that turned the tide. Eventually leading to his run that practically redefined the character and made it a best seller. Which went beyond expectations. Since then Aquaman is based on what Geoff Johns did.

[Gaastra]

Steel got a rt score of 12 so yes it should have been on that list! Remove ww84 and put steel on there!

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1078035-steel