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    I need a general essential reading list of Dick Grayson. I know there are different continuities, but if all those continuities can be summed up into one, what are the essential developments?

    For example,
    Origin - Robin Year One, ASBAR, Dark Victory, Nightwing Zero Year
    Robinhood - Golden Age Batman
    Alliance Origin 1 - Teen Titans Year One, Silver Age Teen Titans
    Alliance Origin 2 - New Teen Titans
    Transition 1 - Nightwing Year One, The Judas Contract
    Marriage 1 - Convergence New Teen Titans
    Transition 2 - Prodigal
    Transition 3 - Bludhaven
    Transition 4 - Batman and Robin
    Revelation 1 - Night of The Owls
    Death - Forever Evil
    Transition 5 - Grayson
    Revelation 2 - Batman and Robin Eternal
    Revelation 3 - Titans Rebirth
    Transition 6 - Back in Bludhaven
    Transition 7 - Ric Grayson
    Marriage 2 - Convergence Nightwing and Oracle

    Something like that. It doesn't have to fit exactly in continuity, it can include stories from outside continuity, you can arrange it to fit in a continuity however you like, but I want to know the important chronological beats in the life of Dick and his environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onthetrapeze View Post
    Dick has a daughter in Batman Beyond #25. Her name is Elainna.
    And Dick is the mayor of Bludhaven.
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    Who is the mother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fergus View Post
    Who is the mother?
    This is just the preview. Guess we will find the answer next Wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onthetrapeze View Post
    This is just the preview. Guess we will find the answer next Wednesday.
    Looking at how the name is spelled maybe zatanna .

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    Quote Originally Posted by WonderNight View Post
    Looking at how the name is spelled maybe zatanna .

    That would be a twist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    I need a general essential reading list of Dick Grayson. I know there are different continuities, but if all those continuities can be summed up into one, what are the essential developments?

    For example,
    Origin - Robin Year One, ASBAR, Dark Victory, Nightwing Zero Year
    Robinhood - Golden Age Batman
    Alliance Origin 1 - Teen Titans Year One, Silver Age Teen Titans
    Alliance Origin 2 - New Teen Titans
    Transition 1 - Nightwing Year One, The Judas Contract
    Marriage 1 - Convergence New Teen Titans
    Transition 2 - Prodigal
    Transition 3 - Bludhaven
    Transition 4 - Batman and Robin
    Revelation 1 - Night of The Owls
    Death - Forever Evil
    Transition 5 - Grayson
    Revelation 2 - Batman and Robin Eternal
    Revelation 3 - Titans Rebirth
    Transition 6 - Back in Bludhaven
    Transition 7 - Ric Grayson
    Marriage 2 - Convergence Nightwing and Oracle

    Something like that. It doesn't have to fit exactly in continuity, it can include stories from outside continuity, you can arrange it to fit in a continuity however you like, but I want to know the important chronological beats in the life of Dick and his environment.
    Personally, as someone who is a big fan of Dick's time as Robin, there's a few more thing's that I would add to flesh out his time in the pixie boots.

    Firstly, I would add the excellent Batman Chronicles: The Gauntlet to Dick's beginnings directly between Dark Victory and Robin: Year One as it is directly referenced in the latter story.

    Secondly, I would add Scarecrow: Year One to the Robinhood period for a modern story of his time as Robin. It's not essential, but I enjoy it. I'd also include Batgirl: Year One in this category, but I believe both must come after the formation of the original Teen Titans.

    Lastly, I would add Dick's time at Hudson University to demonstrate his period of growing up between the Silver Age and the New Teen Titans.

    Skip Batman and Robin Eternal.
    It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konja7 View Post
    I don't express myself correctly.

    In other words, during his time as Batman, they put good creative teams on Dick stories (and did not send them to other comics) and their stories were not completely interrupted to connect with another. Right?
    Ah okay, I got ya.

    In that case, yes. Dick had some high caliber creative talent while he was Batman, and the books didn't constantly get yanked off their direction at the whim of editors. Such is the power of the Bat cowl, I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Konja7 View Post
    This is really bad for Nightwing, because this start even before Didio enter on the DC (he enter in DC the same year that Devin Grayson took Nightwing comic, but Didio's position was smaller than now).

    That means, even if there's a change in DC (and Didio is fired), the situation of Dick won't likely improve. Dick is still going to be too tied to Batman.
    Dick is always going to be tied to the Batman property, no matter how successful be becomes. Look at Harley Quinn; she's become a highly marketable, highly profitable solo character and she's still tied to the Gotham IP set.

    The problem isn't Dick being tied to Batman. The problem is DC's perception that Nightwing can't be more than a Bat sidekick. As long as DC view Nightwing as nothing more than another "kid in the Cave" then Dick's not going to reach his potential. But that's actually really easy to change, all you have to do is shift your policy and start treating Dick like a solo character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinsanity View Post
    That would be a twist.
    That would be a twist indeed. Dick and Zatana. I guess they have YJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pohzee View Post
    Personally, as someone who is a big fan of Dick's time as Robin, there's a few more thing's that I would add to flesh out his time in the pixie boots.

    Firstly, I would add the excellent Batman Chronicles: The Gauntlet to Dick's beginnings directly between Dark Victory and Robin: Year One as it is directly referenced in the latter story.

    Secondly, I would add Scarecrow: Year One to the Robinhood period for a modern story of his time as Robin. It's not essential, but I enjoy it. I'd also include Batgirl: Year One in this category, but I believe both must come after the formation of the original Teen Titans.

    Lastly, I would add Dick's time at Hudson University to demonstrate his period of growing up between the Silver Age and the New Teen Titans.

    Skip Batman and Robin Eternal.
    Ok. Thankyou. Added. Why skip BRE?

    Origin - Nightwing Zero Year, ASBAR, Dark Victory, Batman Chronicles: The Gauntlet, Robin Year One
    Robinhood 1 - Batman The Golden Age Volume One to Four
    Alliance Origin 1 - Teen Titans Year One, Teen Titans The Silver Age Volume One
    Robinhood 2 - Scarecrow: Year One, Batgirl Year One
    Alliance Origin 2 - New Teen Titans
    Transition 1 - Nightwing Year One, The Judas Contract
    Marriage 1 - Convergence New Teen Titans
    Transition 2 - Prodigal
    Transition 3 - Bludhaven
    Transition 4 - Batman and Robin
    Revelation 1 - Night of The Owls
    Death - Forever Evil
    Transition 5 - Grayson
    Revelation 2 - Titans Rebirth
    Transition 6 - Robin War
    Transition 7 - Back in Bludhaven
    Transition 8 - Ric Grayson
    Marriage 2 - Convergence Nightwing and Oracle
    Last edited by Restingvoice; 10-19-2018 at 09:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onthetrapeze View Post
    Dick has a daughter in Batman Beyond #25. Her name is Elainna.
    And Dick is the mayor of Bludhaven.
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    Weird name choice and profession but okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pohzee View Post
    Close, except Dixon's run wasn't spectacular either. Grayson was better.
    That's your opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    Ok. Thankyou. Added. Why skip BRE?
    It doesn't contribute anything meaningful to Dick's history or character, nor does it flesh out a quintessential part of his history, so its hardly essential. And on top of that I consider it to be the world's worst anniversary celebration.

    Quote Originally Posted by byrd156 View Post
    That's your opinion.
    Yes
    Last edited by Pohzee; 10-19-2018 at 09:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fergus View Post
    Who is the mother?
    Eyes don't seem to be fully green, so not the Tamaranean Princess.

    Hasn't exactly ruled out Babs though. Or Shawn (if that has any bearing in this continuity).

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    One question, how were the sales of Grayson?

    It's a good comic and it had good reviews, but I wonder how it went in sales, especially compared to the previous Nightwing comic.

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