Dick Grayson: Robin, Nightwing, Agent of Spyral Appreciation 2018

**oasis1313** · 10-16-2018, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Ascended

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a wait between cancellation and relaunch (even the Fantastic Four weren't immune to that), but otherwise I do agree with you. DC's being very, very frustrating and I find it easy to be pessimistic about things these days (us Wingnuts have just been getting beat on since Infinite Crisis, right?), but Nightwing is one of DC's most consistent selling titles, and while it doesn't sell like the Trinity and League books, it's one of the best sellers among the rest of the line. From what I hear anyway, I haven't paid much attention to sales figures in quite a while. Assuming that'st the case (correct me if I'm wrong Im too lazy to Google) keeping the book around isn't just smart business, it's blindingly obvious business. I know Didio hates Dick, but I can't imagine that he would be dense enough to remove Nightwing over a personal bias.

Comic book "pros" are old overpaid fanboys. If I was in Didio's place, I'd do whatever the hell I wanted.

**Jackalope89** · 10-16-2018, 06:22 PM

Big bro Dick is a big bro to others outside the Bat Family.

**byrd156** · 10-16-2018, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Jackalope89

Big bro Dick is a big bro to others outside the Bat Family.

I love that issue and reread it a lot. It really feels like those versions of the characters saying goodbye to the readers for a really really long time.

**Badou** · 10-16-2018, 09:22 PM

^ That was the last time Dick and the real Donna were truly on panel together, imo. What we've had since the reboot has been completely hollow and lacks any of the feelings or history those two characters there shared.

Originally Posted by Jackalope89

Big bro Dick is a big bro to others outside the Bat Family.

Also the last time Dick and Supergirl interacted with each other or even appeared on panel together since Flashpoint started. The two don't even know each other exist.

Originally Posted by Ascended

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a wait between cancellation and relaunch (even the Fantastic Four weren't immune to that), but otherwise I do agree with you. DC's being very, very frustrating and I find it easy to be pessimistic about things these days (us Wingnuts have just been getting beat on since Infinite Crisis, right?), but Nightwing is one of DC's most consistent selling titles, and while it doesn't sell like the Trinity and League books, it's one of the best sellers among the rest of the line. From what I hear anyway, I haven't paid much attention to sales figures in quite a while. Assuming that'st the case (correct me if I'm wrong Im too lazy to Google) keeping the book around isn't just smart business, it's blindingly obvious business. I know Didio hates Dick, but I can't imagine that he would be dense enough to remove Nightwing over a personal bias.

Yeah, and the Batman office isn't going to let the character to to the JL/Titans office too. So they will continue to use the character and be the ones driving his direction. I mean the Grayson series had a small break, like a month or two, when they were trying to quickly put together the Grayson book on short notice. I think that small break is the only time the character hasn't been in some kind of continuous solo publication since the 90s.

**oasis1313** · 10-16-2018, 10:23 PM

Every time I think DC has hit the lowest point possible, they turn around and surprise me. The Bat office doesn't want to use Grayson, they won't let any other group use him, and the Publisher hates him and wants him killed off. Have I missed anything?

**Jackalope89** · 10-16-2018, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by oasis1313

Every time I think DC has hit the lowest point possible, they turn around and surprise me. The Bat office doesn't want to use Grayson, they won't let any other group use him, and the Publisher hates him and wants him killed off. Have I missed anything?

Can't forget two of his closest friends, pre-Flashpoint at least, were recently killed off as well. Another has become an alcoholic. And the other two have kind of dropped off the radar.

**oasis1313** · 10-16-2018, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Jackalope89

Can't forget two of his closest friends, pre-Flashpoint at least, were recently killed off as well. Another has become an alcoholic. And the other two have kind of dropped off the radar.

Thanks for the reminder. What happened to Wally and Roy makes me sick; at least Dick is sort of still in some sort of existence. And this with Donna doing a Tony Stark: Logically speaking, if she IS just an animated THING, would alcohol even affect her?

**Denirac** · 10-17-2018, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by Jackalope89

Can't forget two of his closest friends, pre-Flashpoint at least, were recently killed off as well. Another has become an alcoholic. And the other two have kind of dropped off the radar.

Garth is returning to Titans next week so I wouldnt say he’s off the radar

**Konja7** · 10-17-2018, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by oasis1313

Every time I think DC has hit the lowest point possible, they turn around and surprise me. The Bat office doesn't want to use Grayson, they won't let any other group use him, and the Publisher hates him and wants him killed off. Have I missed anything?

Sadly, Dick is part of a generation that DC doesn't know what to do. He's too old to be a sidekick, but DC won't put him at the JL.

Besides Batman office, the other office that can use him Teen Titans office (Titans seems to be part of Teen Titan). Dick can't grow in both places.

**Onthetrapeze** · 10-17-2018, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by Konja7

Sadly, Dick is part of a generation that DC doesn't know what to do. He's too old to be a sidekick, but DC won't put him at the JL.

Besides Batman office, the other office that can use him Teen Titans office (Titans seems to be part of Teen Titan). Dick can't grow in both places.

Is there a Teen Titans office？I think both TT and Titans are under Superman Office control.

**byrd156** · 10-17-2018, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by Onthetrapeze

Is there a Teen Titans office？I think both TT and Titans are under Superman Office control.

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't one.

If those characters are run by a separate office/group thats seriously stupid.

**adrikito** · 10-17-2018, 05:02 AM

I need to understand something..

Ric grayson... After burn his nighting costumes now he changed his name too?

**yohyoi** · 10-17-2018, 05:52 AM

Ric sucks. Bring back my Dick! DC, bring him back!

**yohyoi** · 10-17-2018, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by oasis1313

Every time I think DC has hit the lowest point possible, they turn around and surprise me. The Bat office doesn't want to use Grayson, they won't let any other group use him, and the Publisher hates him and wants him killed off. Have I missed anything?

Everyone wants to sleep with him? That's gotta suck. Amarite?

**Konja7** · 10-17-2018, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Onthetrapeze

Is there a Teen Titans office？I think both TT and Titans are under Superman Office control.

Originally Posted by byrd156

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't one.

If those characters are run by a separate office/group thats seriously stupid.

I do not know if there are a Teen Titans office today, although New 52 started with a section dedicated to young heroes (Teen Titans was the main).

However, we can see that Titans is considered part of Teen Titans in DC Essential Collection: https://www.dccomics.com/reader/#/comics/441916

Anyway, my main point is that Nightwing is trapped in two groups (Batman and Titans), where he can not grow.

PS: Why do you think it's stupid the characters are run by different offices?

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