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    I think there is some misunderstanding of TLJ's message. It wasn't saying Force users always came from powerful families until now. What it was doing subverting the idea that a hero has to come from some important family, Force user or no. Yes there were Jedi who came from no one special before. But how many of them were protagonists in the movies?

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    Well, Obi wan, and technically Anakin, because he wasn’t from a powerful family.

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    Honestly, I think RoS should have been 2 movies instead of 1. There was simply not enough time and space for all the ideas they had planned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gryphon View Post
    Honestly, I think RoS should have been 2 movies instead of 1. There was simply not enough time and space for all the ideas they had planned
    After seeing TROS, I think it should have been Episode 8 instead of 9. Maybe calling it a "fix-it fic" is inaccurate, but it did seem to undo some stuff from TLJ. This whole trilogy had good ideas but it was hindered by a lack of direction and bad writing. I don't think they had a plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overhazard View Post
    After seeing TROS, I think it should have been Episode 8 instead of 9. Maybe calling it a "fix-it fic" is inaccurate, but it did seem to undo some stuff from TLJ. This whole trilogy had good ideas but it was hindered by a lack of direction and bad writing. I don't think they had a plan.
    The plan was start making our investment back immediately. I'm betting there was probably something in the contract that necessitated that, but they really should have sat on the property for a few years, made a coherent plan, and then executed. After they wrapped up the Skywalker storyline they could have done a few standalone (focused on people like Lando, Black Squadron, Rogue One) before launching an entirely new storyline divorced from the Republic and Empire. I really, really want to see a storyline set beyond the outer rim.
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    Happy New Year, everyone! And some interesting news for those interested.

    It appears the season 8 premiere of Death Battle will be between spoilers:
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOSLOX View Post
    The plan was start making our investment back immediately. I'm betting there was probably something in the contract that necessitated that, but they really should have sat on the property for a few years, made a coherent plan, and then executed.
    First part is very obvious. They wanted the movie out to get the SW hype back so they could get their Themepark additions going immediately with buzz. Plus Merch sales.

    Plus I imagine they wanted to get going before the actors for Hans/Luke/Leia got even older.

    You would still think they would at least map out the main points over three movies. It really felt like they just flew by the seat of their pants through the whole thing. They couldn't decide on a villain, couldn't decide on what Rey was, coudln't decide on what Finn was, coudlnt' decide how evil/nice Ben was, coudln't pick a romance, ect.

    But yeah, I do wonder about the contract and what it stated they were allowed to do with the old guard.


    In hindsight, they definitely should have moved on from the old guard immediately and time jumped to a point far enough that they were all dead. And then use that "blank space" to tell prequels using younger actors as they saw fit.

    Anyway, clone wars cartoon >>> all so f it lol.
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    LOL shots fired from Boyega though. yeeesh (SW spoilers btw)

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    I see no lies there.

    Someone get this dude in an actual good movie that uses his talents please. Get him in BP2!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    LOL shots fired from Boyega though. yeeesh (SW spoilers btw)

    https://twitter.com/JohnBoyega/statu...90062147637251



    I see no lies there.

    Someone get this dude in an actual good movie that uses his talents please. Get him in BP2!

    I'd say that Abrams may admit later he wanted to create a love type triangle/square with Finn/Poe/Ren involved. But the fact was he didn't get a 2nd film to do this . We saw spots in this film that really made you do a WTF on things not being sold fully.


    - To give us an old Star Wars vibe we see Rey comically get angry with Poe , "Your such a difficult man..." ala how Leia and Han would argue and have that spark. Then things go nowhere with that. Poe its hinted even had his background expanded.


    - Finn claims he has something to tell Rey after last film where he spent more time with Rose. Possibly setting things up there. Yet we get nothing plot wise. The very plot that kept coming back we never get anything with it at the end.


    - Ren was this supposed "dark sith romance" plot that took over the film more than anything.


    But its like Abrams likely had plans with Poe and Finn to be more involved with Rey and instead he never got to fully do them due to not having the 2nd film to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1 View Post
    I'd say that Abrams may admit later he wanted to create a love type triangle/square with Finn/Poe/Ren involved. But the fact was he didn't get a 2nd film to do this . We saw spots in this film that really made you do a WTF on things not being sold fully.


    - To give us an old Star Wars vibe we see Rey comically get angry with Poe , "Your such a difficult man..." ala how Leia and Han would argue and have that spark. Then things go nowhere with that. Poe its hinted even had his background expanded.


    - Finn claims he has something to tell Rey after last film where he spent more time with Rose. Possibly setting things up there. Yet we get nothing plot wise. The very plot that kept coming back we never get anything with it at the end.


    - Ren was this supposed "dark sith romance" plot that took over the film more than anything.


    But its like Abrams likely had plans with Poe and Finn to be more involved with Rey and instead he never got to fully do them due to not having the 2nd film to do it.
    Abrams was never supposed to come back though. That Colin dude was supposed to do the third film.

    Which makes all his mystery boxes with no plans at the top even more messed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    LOL shots fired from Boyega though. yeeesh (SW spoilers btw)

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    I see no lies there.

    Someone get this dude in an actual good movie that uses his talents please. Get him in BP2!
    Wish he'd spoken up before but maybe he wasn't able to due to his contract.

    Saw Rise of Skywalker last night and it may be the worst Star Wars film since Attack of the Clones. I didn't bother with The Last Jedi after what I'd heard about it from relatives but this movie just felt like shit just happened with no build up or transition to make it meaningful. Also please quit having Finn scream "REEEYYYYYY" and "POOOEEEEE" the whole damn film. What a waste of Boyega. They introduce a Black woman who apparently was a rebel from the First Order (so where were these guys in the earlier films) and I don't even remember her name. Wasted opportunity right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Diamond View Post
    Wish he'd spoken up before but maybe he wasn't able to due to his contract.

    Saw Rise of Skywalker last night and it may be the worst Star Wars film since Attack of the Clones. I didn't bother with The Last Jedi after what I'd heard about it from relatives but this movie just felt like shit just happened with no build up or transition to make it meaningful. Also please quit having Finn scream "REEEYYYYYY" and "POOOEEEEE" the whole damn film. What a waste of Boyega. They introduce a Black woman who apparently was a rebel from the First Order (so where were these guys in the earlier films) and I don't even remember her name. Wasted opportunity right there.
    If it means anything TLJ is a hell of a lot better than Rise of Skywalker and better use of Finn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Diamond View Post
    They introduce a Black woman who apparently was a rebel from the First Order (so where were these guys in the earlier films)
    Eh, the film is a mess in general, but I think that's kind of nitpicky. It's not like we're seeing the entire galaxy at once in these movies. I saw someone else complaining that we'd never seen General Pryde before and I was like come on... you think we should somehow know EVERY imperial officer out there? lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    If it means anything TLJ is a hell of a lot better than Rise of Skywalker and better use of Finn.
    See, I don't agree with either sentiment but it is like arguing if horse shit or dog shit smells better so who cares really lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Diamond View Post
    Wish he'd spoken up before but maybe he wasn't able to due to his contract.
    What could they have done to him? Of the three-he has had the LEAST amount of roles since TFA. Daisy & Issac have been in movies with some winning Oscars.

    He had seen Finn get sidelined in EVERYTHING while the others even Rose, Plasma and DJ get stories about them. Heck even the black woman "Vixen from Legends of Tomorrow"-who had her footage cut in TFA had a book about her.

    What can Disney do to a guy who is NOT American? He can go back to England and still have a career. Disney can't prevent CBS or whoever from hiring him.

    They know they WASTED him in this. Everybody sees it.

    Someone get this dude in an actual good movie that uses his talents please. Get him in BP2!
    Don't think Ryan or somebody is NOT trying to do that. Make sure they get Ray Fisher & RJ Cyler too-both deserved better than what they got. Especially Ray. That "Snyder Cut" stuff is making a LOT of folks look bad.


    It appears the season 8 premiere of Death Battle will be between
    As the moderator point out in that thread- homeboy would wipe the floor with Billie's big brother. If you take into consideration of all that person's powers.

    Sad thing is as one person pointed out-there is very little out there beyond that cartoon show as a LOT of his stuff is not in trade and the stuff that is costs too much to buy.

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