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    It is kinda funny seeing NBA players shutting up and dribbling now that speakng out will 100% negatively effect their net worth.

    Taking (deserved) shots at Trump is easy. Most of the country didn't vote for him.

    What happened to "Believe in Something, Even If it Costs You Everything?" ol Nike?

    TBH, I don't blame them. But they are hypocrites.

    Money is the only thing that matters in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    It is kinda funny seeing NBA players shutting up and dribbling now that speakng out will 100% negatively effect their net worth.

    Taking (deserved) shots at Trump is easy. Most of the country didn't vote for him.

    What happened to "Believe in Something, Even If it Costs You Everything?" ol Nike?

    TBH, I don't blame them. But they are hypocrites.

    Money is the only thing that matters in life.
    Eh...it's not the first time someone said something provocative on twitter then had to walk it back. I'm not shocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    It is kinda funny seeing NBA players shutting up and dribbling now that speakng out will 100% negatively effect their net worth.

    Taking (deserved) shots at Trump is easy. Most of the country didn't vote for him.

    What happened to "Believe in Something, Even If it Costs You Everything?" ol Nike?

    TBH, I don't blame them. But they are hypocrites.

    Money is the only thing that matters in life.
    Athletes are willing to speak out on social justice issues at home because it's something that hits close to home and which they are emotionally invested in. Asking them to stake themselves on something happening in a foreign country that they probably don't really understand just because it vaguely fits under the same "woke" banner is respecting their freedom of expression. And sure, maybe you can argue that since basketball is an international sport, the players have a responsibility to be more informed on world issues, but then again I have a feeling that if people really understood what was going on in Hong Kong they would find it fairly difficult to sympathize with them regardless of how much they may dislike China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    It is kinda funny seeing NBA players shutting up and dribbling now that speakng out will 100% negatively effect their net worth.

    Taking (deserved) shots at Trump is easy. Most of the country didn't vote for him.

    What happened to "Believe in Something, Even If it Costs You Everything?" ol Nike?

    TBH, I don't blame them. But they are hypocrites.

    Money is the only thing that matters in life.
    Agree.

    On some level the NBA and their dependent Chinese revenue stream, is sort of like ones porn preferences in a brick and mortar (hell this works even if it's just on a site on ones phone). Back in the day before the interwebz there were these video stores that only dealt in adult erotica. One might be there for a single selection or actress... let's say Janet Jacme. So as weird as it seems you might even find another patron who is looking in the same isle and might lob a question about a title or actress, lol I know right. So talk Janet up or ignore this dude- there isn't a wrong answer within this store for reasons. So also if one were browsing through this store one might see some shit you can't quite easily un-see. You might be all damn, that's disgusting and be creeped out but then you remember, you're, still here too. That's greed of money for you, you have to make apologies for the guy next to you in the same game even though they are an oppressive foreign regime and also ironically our overlords on a broad level. James Harden apologizing for the league and his owner does have a dirty look to it. Especially since we've got our own government issues at the top but Adam Silver, he needs to make it all good in this video store because we're in this 'global game' together. Nothing really is too nasty to f with when money is the end all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    It is kinda funny seeing NBA players shutting up and dribbling now that speakng out will 100% negatively effect their net worth.

    Taking (deserved) shots at Trump is easy. Most of the country didn't vote for him.

    What happened to "Believe in Something, Even If it Costs You Everything?" ol Nike?

    TBH, I don't blame them. But they are hypocrites.

    Money is the only thing that matters in life.
    I vaguely remember when Ali was allowed to fight again.

    Its stunning to think that between the time that Ali was barred from fighting and Colin Kapernick nobody's intentionally put their paycheck on the line.

    And you could argue that Kap, like Mumia Abu Rauf(?) before him didn't expect that his mode of protest was going to cost him his paycheck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Vega View Post
    I vaguely remember when Ali was allowed to fight again.

    Its stunning to think that between the time that Ali was barred from fighting and Colin Kapernick nobody's intentionally put their paycheck on the line.

    And you could argue that Kap, like Mumia Abu Rauf(?) before him didn't expect that his mode of protest was going to cost him his paycheck.
    It's Mahmoud Abdul Rauf, I think you have him confused with Mumia Abu Jamal. But it's not exactly reasonable to expect athletes to put their livelihoods on the line to protest social injustice any more than you would expect the average person to, especially since these protests pretty much never actually accomplish anything and often creates a much stronger backlash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    It's Mahmoud Abdul Rauf, I think you have him confused with Mumia Abu Jamal. But it's not exactly reasonable to expect athletes to put their livelihoods on the line to protest social injustice any more than you would expect the average person to, especially since these protests pretty much never actually accomplish anything and often creates a much stronger backlash.
    Well, I wouldn't go that far...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    Well, I wouldn't go that far...
    Those famous successful protests you see in biopics?.........Something tells me those are “the rarities”. Probably many, MANY others in between that ultimately ended up doomed and and forgotten, with leaders and adherents alike seeing shattered the notion that they would be the “chosen revolutionaries” who changed things around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragged Maw View Post
    Those famous successful protests you see in biopics?.........Something tells me those are “the rarities”. Probably many, MANY others in between that ultimately ended up doomed and and forgotten, with leaders and adherents alike seeing shattered the notion that they would be the “chosen revolutionaries” who changed things around.
    Sure, but people protest various things for various reasons with various degrees of success. Not every one is about "revolution." I'd even argue that the majority aren't. In some cases just bringing public awareness to a particular issue is a success for some people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    Sure, but people protest various things for various reasons with various degrees of success. Not every one is about "revolution." I'd even argue that the majority aren't. In some cases just bringing public awareness to a particular issue is a success for some people.
    Sounds about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    Sure, but people protest various things for various reasons with various degrees of success. Not every one is about "revolution." I'd even argue that the majority aren't. In some cases just bringing public awareness to a particular issue is a success for some people.
    Awareness isn't always a good thing though, particularly if the audience you're trying to reach isn't receptive to your message. Kaepernick is a great example of this, because his protests basically forced a large segment of sports fans who normally didn't bother thinking about social issues to pick a side, which definitively revealed that white America cares a hell of a lot more about the illusion of harmony than they do about police brutality. And because his opponents focused all their attacks on him and his supposed lack of patriotism, they effectively muzzled any talk about the underlying issue that he was trying to raise awareness for in the first place. I do applaud his conviction, but the whole protest was a severe strategic miscalculation, and arguably was a setback to the overall goals of the BLM movement.

    And that goes double for trying to protest events happening in foreign countries, which most Americans don't understand and aren't invested in. If you recall Kony 2012 or #BringBackOurGirls, neither of those accomplished a damn thing because fundamentally people didn't care enough to lift a finger to help, but at least there was some inkling of concern there. What we're talking about now is browbeating NBA players into half-hearted protests against China over an issue most of them probably don't know anything about, just because it vaguely aligns with the "woke" image the league has been trying to cultivate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    But it's not exactly reasonable to expect athletes to put their livelihoods on the line to protest social injustice any more than you would expect the average person to, especially since these protests pretty much never actually accomplish anything and often creates a much stronger backlash.
    They aren't risking their livelihoods. They are risking a percentage of there millions. HUGE difference. Lebron James or Steve Kerr aren't gonna get fired for going, "Morey has the right to say what he wants. That is American."

    And it is obvious why ot everyone. Kerr makes a comment, and China cuts out the Warriors. Good bye Klay's shoe contract. Good bye millions of dollars for their owner.

    Lebron makes a peep and he loses 10's of millions alone. Let alone what would happen to Nike.

    Going at Trump is easy. China is a different beast.

    It is almost weird how politicians agree with this on both side sof the aisle. From wakadoo Cruz to AOC

    And... I understand it. Money is more important than anything. Doesn't change the fact they are a bunch of hypocrites

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    They aren't risking their livelihoods. They are risking a percentage of there millions. HUGE difference. Lebron James or Steve Kerr aren't gonna get fired for going, "Morey has the right to say what he wants. That is American."

    And it is obvious why ot everyone. Kerr makes a comment, and China cuts out the Warriors. Good bye Klay's shoe contract. Good bye millions of dollars for their owner.

    Lebron makes a peep and he loses 10's of millions alone. Let alone what would happen to Nike.

    Going at Trump is easy. China is a different beast.

    It is almost weird how politicians agree with this on both side sof the aisle. From wakadoo Cruz to AOC

    And... I understand it. Money is more important than anything. Doesn't change the fact they are a bunch of hypocrites

    “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” -Martin Luther King Jr.
    Obviously the reason that both sides agree on this issue is because we're caught up in a bit of a geopolitical tussle at the moment, and anyone who didn't speak out on this issue would naturally be accused by their opponents of sympathizing with a foreign adversary. What you're suggesting is that all celebrities and companies also need to fall in line and put patriotism over money, which of course is how it is in China. Obviously China has a ton of human rights issues that must be addressed, but it seems like the outrage is always inversely proportional to the severity of the issue. The fact that one guy had to delete a tweet has sparked this whole firestorm, whereas all of those stories about Uighur concentration camps have been met with resounding indifference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    Well, I wouldn't go that far...
    It depends on what your endgame is.

    Take why some folks tune out or left BLM-too many folks used the dead bodies of black males to get movie deals, tv shows, Nike contracts, political office and so on.
    Meanwhile in some communities NOTHING has changed.
    Instead you see more interrupting of events and hatred for police. With zero attempt at a civil conversation.


    What happened to "Believe in Something, Even If it Costs You Everything?" ol Nike?
    It was a movement to sell SHOES to folks you already had in your pocket. What did that cost Nike? 30 million to Kaep? They made that back within hours of giving it to him.

    I would probably say while money is a factor, I would venture to guess EGO is too.
    What about all the guys like the Morris twins who are doing social justice stuff in the communities and NOBODY talks about it?
    Or guys like Royce White who have been screaming for mental health issues in NBA. Who has to see it get talked about when WHITE GUYS bring it up.


    The fact that one guy had to delete a tweet has sparked this whole firestorm, whereas all of those stories about Uighur concentration camps have been met with resounding indifference.
    Because sometimes what goes on in your OWN backyard is a lot uglier than when you see next door. At least that is a reason a person might toss out.
    Not that it's a right or wrong answer.

    Folks can yell about those camps all they like but what can they really do HERE? If those folks try to come over Immigration will stop them.

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