Minorities in Comics and Other Media, etc

[Besouro]

[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;5165688]Odin was bored one day and took dark clay and made a baby he named Heimdall. Worked for Wonder Woman.

Asgardians took a black boy home by accident and kept him. Worked for Howard the Duck.

Black family gets lost and somehow finds their to EUROPE and baby gets orphaned and later found by natives. He grows up with them.

And BEFORE you say no-lets see how that has worked in the past.

Tarzan, Sheena, Phantom & Jungle Girl say HI. How many white kids get orphaned in Africa and get raised by Africans????

DC Comics had 2 comic book series featuring a WHITE guy taken by Indians. One was called Scalp Hunter and the other??? JONAH HEX.

Dc also had ANOTHER comic about GODS taking Earth children and raising them. His name is Miser Miracle.

Milestone had a series about an alien who came to Earth during slavery and got adopted by black folks. It was called ICON.

Marvel had a comic book with a black lead and his ADOPTIVE brother was WHITE. This book later became a BILLION DOLLAR hit and 3 Oscar winner and it's lead just died. Yes Black Panther has a WHITE brother.

Arjay Smith's most famous role is playing an alien left on Earth and taken in by HUMANS.

NOW if all these examples and I can come up with 50 more-did not cause folks to go nuts. Why should a black Greek God be an issue????????[QUOTE]

(1) You are falsely and poorly trying to imply that entertainment based fiction characters are the same as centuries/millenia old culturally and traditionally *worshipped* mythological figures....they are complete separate and different.

(2) Unlike the last F4 movie, absolutely no reason or explanation or even a smidge of a hint was given in any of the Thor movies as to how and why a black man is an Asgardian....a black man playing a millenia old culturally exalted White European God.

Again if Elba can play a white European god then equally Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise should also play African black gods.


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Because no one cares when it's NOT a black person being cast.[\QUOTE]

What's wrong is wrong... Just because people ignore it does not make it right irrespective race, gender, religion or sexuality.

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Dragonball, Airbender & Prince of Persia saw backlash. As did Gods of Egypt and a few others. Some when reviews came out actually focused on the script and so on.

However the backlash they got PALED in comparison to the backlash BLACK FOLKS GOT.[\QUOTE]

The movies u mention got waaaaaay more backlash primarily for racebending before script criticism faaaar above and beyond what Elba got for playing a white european god.

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Any attempt to do something with a black person and they come RUNNING out of the wood work.[\QUOTE]

Do you think the $1bn breaker success of the black panther movie was only because of black movie goers?

Is black panther the only black led and/or black majority movie in hollywood?

Of course Not.

Do blacks suffer the heaviest and highest amount of criticism in entertainment?

Yes.

But does that mean that we should also accept and participate in debasing, degrading, belittling and disgracing other people's cultural, traditional and religious mythological icons....in a manner synonymous to what was done to us blacks?

Why stop there? Lets give the greatest example of all.

FINN in Star Wars. The agent of white genocide according to many. At least 3 other black guys held light sabres before him. Yet Finn set off trolls everywhere.

An original created character.

All non-white characters in that hideous Disney star wars trilogy were written badly in a non consequential , non plot relevant manner....then again even the white character Luke was also really badly written. So why are you only focusing on Finn when so many characters were badly affected by the horrid writing?

You mention Finn being an "original character" as if that's a bad thing....given how bad the trilogy was written, do you think Boyega playied as black Luke Skywalker would have been better? With that writing? Really?!?!?

[Steel Inquisitor]

(1) You are falsely and poorly trying to imply that entertainment based fiction characters are the same as centuries/millenia old culturally and traditionally *worshipped* mythological figures....they are complete separate and different.

(2) Unlike the last F4 movie, absolutely no reason or explanation or even a smidge of a hint was given in any of the Thor movies as to how and why a black man is an Asgardian....a black man playing a millenia old culturally exalted White European God.

1) Except they're doing movie versions based off Marvel's comic versions not adapting a story from Norse mythology. And the MCU has shied away from the Marvel Norse pantheons divinity, they're more like Marvel's Time Lords with a warrior flair than deities in the movies. Gods get changed regularly in fiction, especially in comic books. Zeus never had a daughter with Queen Hypolyta to destroy Ares to avenge Ares killing off the entire Greek pantheon, for instance.

2) He's an alien and it's consistent with alien races not just being white people. There are Black Kree in the MCU, for instance.

Again if Elba can play a white European god then equally Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise should also play African black gods.

Different context, Hollywood isn't running out of roles for white gods they get to play whoever they want for the most part.

[Besouro]

So, if in the movie the space Vikings said that they found Hemidall as a baby and raised him as one of their own or if he had a black mother you would have been fine with that?

Yes...I would be fine with that reasoning but they would have to recast Heimdall with a character that actually looks biracial

[Besouro]

I must of missed those mass protests in the nordic countries about Heimdell.

None of MCU asgard fits with the mythology. MCU asgard is an adaptation of comic Asgard which is an adaptation of the myths.

Also, this, copy and pasted for funsies:



MCU asgard was simply more diverse place. The elves had a black dude. One of the warrior three was Asian.

It is just an adaptation. Just like God of War is an adaptation of the greek and now norse myths.

Warrior Three are a pure marvel creation....they do not exist in Norse mythology so why didn't Elba just play as one of the warriors three instead?

The diversity of aliens in marvel is irrelevant to Viking
Norse mythology whereby ALL Asgardian are Caucasian.

All those other aliens are marvel creations with zero real life cultural, traditional and mythological historical weight.

But...u know what...let's used your logic here. So just because there are inconsequential marvel created black aliens equates to White European gods being black.

By that exact same logic metric, there is also African mythological based aliens like say the Orishas, right? And amongst them there would be Orishas who are Asian and White (played by Asian and White actors).

If there are black Asgardians, surely there are bleach pale Asian and/ or White Orishas as well, right?...this is the part where say yes then I proceed to Twitter to champion the casting of Iko Uwais, Brad Pitt and/or Lucy Liu to play black African mythological figures in the MCU after all they are all just aliens in Marvel, right?....of course the global black community would not start a mass riot over this, right?

[Username taken]

Warrior Three are a pure marvel creation....they do not exist in Norse mythology so why didn't Elba just play as one of the warriors three instead?

The diversity of aliens in marvel is irrelevant to Viking
Norse mythology whereby ALL Asgardian are Caucasian.

All those other aliens are marvel creations with zero real life cultural, traditional and mythological historical weight.

But...u know what...let's used your logic here. So just because there are inconsequential marvel created black aliens equates to White European gods being black.

By that exact same logic metric, there is also African mythological based aliens like say the Orishas, right? And amongst them there would be Orishas who are Asian and White (played by Asian and White actors).

If there are black Asgardians, surely there are bleach pale Asian and/ or White Orishas as well, right?...this is the part where say yes then I proceed to Twitter to champion the casting of Iko Uwais, Brad Pitt and/or Lucy Liu to play black African mythological figures in the MCU after all they are all just aliens in Marvel, right?....of course the global black community would not start a mass riot over this, right?

If Marvel was making a movie about aliens that were referred to as African gods, then they can cast whomever they want in the role.

There’s a reason why people don’t really complain about Stargate but lambasted gods of Egypt. In Stargate, You have aliens playing Egyptian gods played by actors that aren’t all of African origin. But the simple caveat here is that they aren’t real gods...just like the Asgardians of the MCU.

If you really want to have a legit discussion on this, you can’t ignore the context of the work you’re referring too.

[Killerbee911]

If there are black Asgardians, surely there are bleach pale Asian and/ or White Orishas as well, right?...this is the part where say yes then I proceed to Twitter to champion the casting of Iko Uwais, Brad Pitt and/or Lucy Liu to play black African mythological figures in the MCU after all they are all just aliens in Marvel, right?....of course the global black community would not start a mass riot over this, right?

You don't have to ask this question, We know that Hollywood has been casting white people in roles for minority for ages with no riots

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...o-wasnt-white/

Here are some selections I think are interesting

“Starship Troopers,” 1997: White actor Casper Van Dien played Johnny Rico, a now-white character who was of Filipino descent in the book on which the movie was based.

“The Passion of the Christ,” 2004: White guy Jim Caviezel played Jesus.

“World Trade Center,” 2006: William Mapother played Marine Sargeant Thomas, one of the men who helped rescue two Port Authority Police Officers from the rubble of the World Trade Center. In real life, Thomas is black; Mapother is white.

“A Mighty Heart,” 2007: Angelina Jolie played Mariane Pearl, the wife of kidnapped journalist Daniel Pearl. Pearl is a French-born woman of Afro-Cuban descent; Jolie appeared to darken her skin and alter her hair for the role.

“30 Days of Night,” 2007: Josh Hartnett played Eben Oleson, a character who was of Inuit descent in the original comic book series.

“Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince,” 2009: Here’s a head-scratcher: in the early Harry Potter movies, Lavender Brown was a Gryffindor student who appeared onscreen a few times but doesn’t have a huge role. In those early movies, she was played by black British actresses: Kathleen Cauley in “Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets” and Jennifer Smith in “Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.” But before Lavender Brown’s part became a speaking role in “Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince,” filmmakers held an open casting call for the part, and they replaced Smith with Jessie Cave, a blonde, British tap-dancer.

“21,” 2008: Virtually every actor in this movie was racially miscast. The nearly all-white cast was composed of Kevin Spacey, Jim Sturgess and Jacob Pitts, among others, but almost everyone involved in the real-life card-counting scheme that inspired the movie was of Asian descent.

“Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time,” 2010: In a widely mocked casting decision, Jake Gyllenhall was tapped to play Dastan, the aforementioned prince.

“The Lone Ranger,” 2013: Johnny Depp played Native American sidekick Tonto. Don’t worry though; Depp was adopted into the Comanche Nation the year before the movie was released.

Exodus, Gods and Kings,” 2014: Where to begin? In this movie you can find Christian Bale as Moses; Australian Joel Edgerton as Ramses; John Turturro as Seti; Spanish actress Maria Valverde as Zipporah, Sigourney Weaver as Tuya, and the British Ben Kingsley as Nun. What you are not going to find is anyone from Egypt in a leading role

“Noah,” 2014: This Biblical epic doesn’t do any better. Top billing goes to actors from New Zealand, the United States, and Britain, including Russell Crowe, Jennifer Connelly, Ray Winstone, Anthony Hopkins and Emma Watson.

“Aloha,” 2015: Fair-skinned Emma Stone played the lead, who was written as a mixed-race character with a Swedish mother and a half-Chinese, half-Native Hawaiian father.

“Dr. Strange,” 2016: Tilda Swinton is set to play “The Ancient One,” a male Tibetan mystic.

“Ghost In the Shell,” 2017: Scarlett Johansson has signed on to play Motoko Kusanagi, who is Japanese in the anime series the movie is based on.

Here the thing you are going to notice about this list a large portion of it isn't fantasy where you can reimagine something to be different a lot of it is real people and them going nope we are just going to write them white. Again Racebending is done to make up for lack of minority characters in popular thing you can call it misguided but it is done because they aren't enough characters around. Changing minorities characters to white is done mostly out of ignorance or laziness AND even worse it takes away from limited chance for minority to be casted in a role. When was the last time a Native American,Latino or Asian person has been casted as lead in big budget blockbuster film. I didn't include black people because slowly it has been getting better in this area.

But overall point is it is not a two way street in example, You keep on bring up the Orishas, There is no movie about the Orishas, I can you name several movies about Greek Gods. 100% it is a better idea to do movie about Orisha with a black cast BUT the system keeps pushing out movies about Greek Gods or Norse Gods.Even in games God of War had the chance to pick between Egyptian and Norse Gods and they picked Norse Gods(in their defense they had good reason). Hollywood is incestuous in how the approach making things so they stick with the things that general have worked but every once a while do they something new like Gods of Egypt a Clash of titan style movie set in Egypt using Egyptian Gods. How did that turn out again? You can keep complain about "Race bending" yeah it is not the best thing but it is supplement of a lack thing in a system that is clearly not working.

When Hollywood starts caring to make outside of their norm stories, I will be right with you on racebending but Hollywood is all about sure things and sure things means pulling past things that work. We don't live in your world where they are making movies about Orishas, They want to make movies about Greek ,Norse Gods,and Arthurian Myths.

[MindofShadow]

If there are black Asgardians, surely there are bleach pale Asian and/ or White Orishas as well, right?...this is the part where say yes then I proceed to Twitter to champion the casting of Iko Uwais, Brad Pitt and/or Lucy Liu to play black African mythological figures in the MCU after all they are all just aliens in Marvel, right?....of course the global black community would not start a mass riot over this, right?

This aint the time to use the term "mass riots." It's 2020 man, be better.

And yes... if they made some fictional "Orisha" movie where the main hero is black, the main villain sometimes hero is black, the father figure all powerful god is black, the queen is black, all 4 of the main heroes best friend is black with a token asian, every single soldier and guard and citizen is black, the off world love interest and all her supporting cast is black....

Yeah, go ahead and cast one random white god who gets 5 minutes of screen time and is a big actor. Hell, call him the blackest of all gods as a joke. He can wear black armor! Nobody will give a ****.

This whole thing where "people" are pissed about one race swap in a sea of white is a pure white people invention (actually, a pure certain demographic of comic white fans invention) where they pretend it is a bigger deal than it is. The "global black community" is used to being screwed over by whitewashing. The Heimdell being black was such an afront to "white people" the movie would have bombed. It didn't because no one cared outside this loud 1% population on the internet.

Warrior Three are a pure marvel creation....they do not exist in Norse mythology so why didn't Elba just play as one of the warriors three instead?

It is almost like the MCU is making up stuff about aliens that is a loose adaptation of the comics that is a loose adaptation of MYTHS

[Besouro]

If Marvel was making a movie about aliens that were referred to as African gods, then they can cast whomever they want in the role.

There’s a reason why people don’t really complain about Stargate but lambasted gods of Egypt. In Stargate, You have aliens playing Egyptian gods played by actors that aren’t all of African origin. But the simple caveat here is that they aren’t real gods...just like the Asgardians of the MCU.

If you really want to have a legit discussion on this, you can’t ignore the context of the work you’re referring too.

You are making another false equivalence with the Stargate franchise.

Stargate gets no racial or racebending complaints because it follows the "aliens created the pyramids not Egyptians" concept. It was stated, said and made *VERY CLEAR REPEATEDLY* throughout that the various aliens (which were LITERALLY non human in appearance) came to earth, took human form on earth and adopted the impersonation of many cultural mythological figures they found on earth to subjugate (villainous aliens did this....the Goauld) or protect them (the other aliens....whats-his-face...who impersonated Norse gods).

The Goauld alien race were shown .... ABUNDANTLY AND REPEATEDLY... as snivelling parasitic worms that survive by possessing the bodies of sentient beings/humans and on many occasions these gouald could change bodies from one human to the next. When in possession of humans they used their alien tech to simulate godhood ....not magic...not magic mixed with tech..... it was clearly stated as alien tech and this tech got hacked, infiltrated and reused by the lead characters/heroes who where human except for one who was carrying a gouald within him.

The gouald were stated to be parasitic symbiotes and would also use human bodies as incubators for their worm babies.

The other alien race (the good guys) who were used holographic projection to simulate human appearance ....the primary character from this alien race adopted and impersonated Thor, and had his spaceship designated as Asgard (not the alien home planet, just one spaceship ...they had other spaceships with different designations) using their tech to simulate godlike feats until they were found out.

Stargate creators took chores making it abundantly clear REPEATEDLY....

(1)..... that the cultural traditional and legend mythological figures *PREEXISTED* before the arrival of these aliens. The aliens did not create the mythological figures. A very crystalline distinction is made with a solid separation between the aliens and the mythological figures....the aliens were pretending to be human mythological traditional gods.

It was only *THE ORI* aliens who came in the last few seasons of SG-1 who operated as their own gods who acquired powers through belief and worship
.. NO IMPERSONATION OF HUMAN MYTHOLOGICAL LEGENDS HERE....these where wholly and absolutely fictional creations by the makers and writers of Stargate sg-1...no different than the Warriors three in terms of real world historical and cultural relevance.


MCU Thor claims to be the actual Thor and Norse gods.ther are scenes in those movies that show this MCU "alien" Odin meeting the early Europeans which apparently started the Norse mythology which is would have been fine if not for the idiocy that is Elba/ a black man portraying Heimdall/ a white European god whose parents are ALL WHITE as per Norse mythology.

So to compare MCU Thor to Stargate is false equivalence.

(2)....that these aliens were impersonators. They were NOT literally the mythological figures themselves.

[ed2962]

Warrior Three are a pure marvel creation....they do not exist in Norse mythology so why didn't Elba just play as one of the warriors three instead?

The diversity of aliens in marvel is irrelevant to Viking
Norse mythology whereby ALL Asgardian are Caucasian.

All those other aliens are marvel creations with zero real life cultural, traditional and mythological historical weight.

But...u know what...let's used your logic here. So just because there are inconsequential marvel created black aliens equates to White European gods being black.

By that exact same logic metric, there is also African mythological based aliens like say the Orishas, right? And amongst them there would be Orishas who are Asian and White (played by Asian and White actors).

If there are black Asgardians, surely there are bleach pale Asian and/ or White Orishas as well, right?...this is the part where say yes then I proceed to Twitter to champion the casting of Iko Uwais, Brad Pitt and/or Lucy Liu to play black African mythological figures in the MCU after all they are all just aliens in Marvel, right?....of course the global black community would not start a mass riot over this, right?

We literally had a movie where Egyptian Gods were played by white actors and the "global black community" did not start "mass riots".

[ed2962]

You are making another false equivalence with the Stargate franchise.

Stargate gets no racial or racebending complaints because it follows the "aliens created the pyramids not Egyptians" concept. It was stated, said and made *VERY CLEAR REPEATEDLY* throughout that the various aliens (which were LITERALLY non human in appearance) came to earth, took human form on earth and adopted the impersonation of many cultural mythological figures they found on earth to subjugate (villainous aliens did this....the Goauld) or protect them (the other aliens....whats-his-face...who impersonated Norse gods).

The Goauld alien race were shown .... ABUNDANTLY AND REPEATEDLY... as snivelling parasitic worms that survive by possessing the bodies of sentient beings/humans and on many occasions these gouald could change bodies from one human to the next. When in possession of humans they used their alien tech to simulate godhood ....not magic...not magic mixed with tech..... it was clearly stated as alien tech and this tech got hacked, infiltrated and reused by the lead characters/heroes who where human except for one who was carrying a gouald within him.

The gouald were stated to be parasitic symbiotes and would also use human bodies as incubators for their worm babies.

The other alien race (the good guys) who were used holographic projection to simulate human appearance ....the primary character from this alien race adopted and impersonated Thor, and had his spaceship designated as Asgard (not the alien home planet, just one spaceship ...they had other spaceships with different designations) using their tech to simulate godlike feats until they were found out.

Stargate creators took chores making it abundantly clear REPEATEDLY....

(1)..... that the cultural traditional and legend mythological figures *PREEXISTED* before the arrival of these aliens. The aliens did not create the mythological figures. A very crystalline distinction is made with a solid separation between the aliens and the mythological figures....the aliens were pretending to be human mythological traditional gods.

It was only *THE ORI* aliens who came in the last few seasons of SG-1 who operated as their own gods who acquired powers through belief and worship
.. NO IMPERSONATION OF HUMAN MYTHOLOGICAL LEGENDS HERE....these where wholly and absolutely fictional creations by the makers and writers of Stargate sg-1...no different than the Warriors three in terms of real world historical and cultural relevance.


MCU Thor claims to be the actual Thor and Norse gods.ther are scenes in those movies that show this MCU "alien" Odin meeting the early Europeans which apparently started the Norse mythology which is would have been fine if not for the idiocy that is Elba/ a black man portraying Heimdall/ a white European god whose parents are ALL WHITE as per Norse mythology.

So to compare MCU Thor to Stargate is false equivalence.

(2)....that these aliens were impersonators. They were NOT literally the mythological figures themselves.

Now you're just making stuff up

[Overhazard]

[QUOTE=Besouro;5166852]

All non-white characters in that hideous Disney star wars trilogy were written badly in a non consequential , non plot relevant manner....then again even the white character Luke was also really badly written. So why are you only focusing on Finn when so many characters were badly affected by the horrid writing?

You mention Finn being an "original character" as if that's a bad thing....given how bad the trilogy was written, do you think Boyega playied as black Luke Skywalker would have been better? With that writing? Really?!?!?

Well, firstly. The ads for the force awakens were a bait and switch of massive proportions. Finn was the first person seen in the trailer. He was the one you saw brandishing a lightsaber towards Kylo Ren. So many of us were excited to see our boy on screen, being the supercool swashbuckling Errol Flynn in space we all knew he could be....and were massively disappointed. Finn was an incompetent, sniveling coward who got his rear end handed to him by a no-name stormtrooper, Rey, and Kylo Ren.

In the last jedi, he goes through the same character arc he did in the first movie, the exact. same. arc. He starts the movie as a coward who wants to run away, but the actions of his friends, particularly the girl he meets towards the start of his journey inspires him to be brave. With an extra helping of incompetence on his part. Sure he beats phasma, but that's the only hero moment he gets in the entire trilogy. Not to mention him being a receiving end of a speech on how war and slavery are bad. A black man, who is a former brainwashed child soldier, is being told how war and slavery are bad.

In the rise of skywalker, Finn was a thirsty moron who constantly chases after Rey and is screaming her name.

I could have lived with Finn not being a Jedi. I just found it so hard to root for him because he was a bumbling idiot. Finn was a character that I really wanted to like, and I couldn't. Then I found out how disappointed Boyega himself was with Finn, and how disney took his love of star wars and ruined it.

[Username taken]

You are making another false equivalence with the Stargate franchise.

Stargate gets no racial or racebending complaints because it follows the "aliens created the pyramids not Egyptians" concept. It was stated, said and made *VERY CLEAR REPEATEDLY* throughout that the various aliens (which were LITERALLY non human in appearance) came to earth, took human form on earth and adopted the impersonation of many cultural mythological figures they found on earth to subjugate (villainous aliens did this....the Goauld) or protect them (the other aliens....whats-his-face...who impersonated Norse gods).

The Goauld alien race were shown .... ABUNDANTLY AND REPEATEDLY... as snivelling parasitic worms that survive by possessing the bodies of sentient beings/humans and on many occasions these gouald could change bodies from one human to the next. When in possession of humans they used their alien tech to simulate godhood ....not magic...not magic mixed with tech..... it was clearly stated as alien tech and this tech got hacked, infiltrated and reused by the lead characters/heroes who where human except for one who was carrying a gouald within him.

The gouald were stated to be parasitic symbiotes and would also use human bodies as incubators for their worm babies.

The other alien race (the good guys) who were used holographic projection to simulate human appearance ....the primary character from this alien race adopted and impersonated Thor, and had his spaceship designated as Asgard (not the alien home planet, just one spaceship ...they had other spaceships with different designations) using their tech to simulate godlike feats until they were found out.

Stargate creators took chores making it abundantly clear REPEATEDLY....

(1)..... that the cultural traditional and legend mythological figures *PREEXISTED* before the arrival of these aliens. The aliens did not create the mythological figures. A very crystalline distinction is made with a solid separation between the aliens and the mythological figures....the aliens were pretending to be human mythological traditional gods.

It was only *THE ORI* aliens who came in the last few seasons of SG-1 who operated as their own gods who acquired powers through belief and worship
.. NO IMPERSONATION OF HUMAN MYTHOLOGICAL LEGENDS HERE....these where wholly and absolutely fictional creations by the makers and writers of Stargate sg-1...no different than the Warriors three in terms of real world historical and cultural relevance.


MCU Thor claims to be the actual Thor and Norse gods.ther are scenes in those movies that show this MCU "alien" Odin meeting the early Europeans which apparently started the Norse mythology which is would have been fine if not for the idiocy that is Elba/ a black man portraying Heimdall/ a white European god whose parents are ALL WHITE as per Norse mythology.

So to compare MCU Thor to Stargate is false equivalence.

(2)....that these aliens were impersonators. They were NOT literally the mythological figures themselves.

Marvel have NEVER claimed Thor was the actual Norse Thor. Not once.

The MCU Asgardians much like the “gods” in Stargate are just alien beings that humans worshipped as gods. In Thor 2, Odin himself said they are not gods.

Norse gods don’t have giant spaceships and forcefields so you’re argument that Marvel is adapting the Norse gods is just flat out untrue.

[G. Boney]

It should be obvious by now that Besouro is a troll. It's probably best to stop wasting time responding.

[MindofShadow]

Marvel have NEVER claimed Thor was the actual Norse Thor. Not once.

The MCU Asgardians much like the “gods” in Stargate are just alien beings that humans worshipped as gods. In Thor 2, Odin himself said they are not gods.

Norse gods don’t have giant spaceships and forcefields so you’re argument that Marvel is adapting the Norse gods is just flat out untrue.

MCU Thor was born in 964 AD

Peak Thor worship started in 790 AD


It can't even possibly be the same Thor lol

[Agent Z]

Moonlight's Barry Jenkins will direct a Lion King prequel.

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