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    Quote Originally Posted by Username taken View Post
    It's sick and tragic.

    The sheer cruelty, greed, and, callousness are really troubling.

    Some people in the country are literally sacrificing human beings...children for profit.

    I find it hilarious that the GOP is so concerned about "protecting the unborn" but when it comes to actually protecting kids..real kids...they do nothing.
    It is so sickening I cant even put it into words. And the thoughts and prayers from the GOP are so hallow. And just the suspects name had Fox News going nuts for a few minutes. Using the phrase the most important thing is finding out if he was a legal citizen or not. (He was so Fox News let that drop)

    Then there is the Rep from Connecticut (The name escapes me) asking what are we doing. " There are more mass shootings then days of the year." So they are starting the "They are going to take our guns talk." Crime scene not even cleared and they are circling the "Muh Freedoms" wagons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    Its not the next discussion. It is happening right now. The crime scene is not even cleared and people like Ken Paxton are already on the news shows. Dont take our guns. We need more guns. Arming the teachers is the only answer here.

    And the GOP who have spoken so far like Abbot, Cruz, and Mitch M all going on about how Tragic this is and how it is a shame nothing could be done to prevent this and how does this happen again!

    It is so sick.
    Lets look at that for a moment.

    They want educators like myself to have guns....

    How many DEAD kids do you want day one??????

    How many DEAD parents?

    How many Anti-CRT Karens would be laying on the ground at school board meetings???

    How many folks get taken out over teacher evaluations? test scores?

    We haven't touched LGBTQA.....

    Nor special education students.....

    That is like letting Frank Castle & Judge Dredd run wild.

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    Too much innocent blood is being spilled in the US.

    Human life has been too devalued because of corporate interests and individual power plays. People are using anything to deflect from basic issues. Seriously, turn on the TV and it’s “replacement theory” or “anti trans legislation” or “anti-union” or “anti-education for immigrants children” or “guns don’t kill, people do” or “Sandy Hook was a false flag” and the list goes on. All these things devalue human life and these aren’t discussions a civilized society should be having.

    There is no advanced WESTERN society that’s as chaotic as American society and the tragic thing is its getting worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    Lets look at that for a moment.

    They want educators like myself to have guns....

    How many DEAD kids do you want day one??????

    How many DEAD parents?

    How many Anti-CRT Karens would be laying on the ground at school board meetings???

    How many folks get taken out over teacher evaluations? test scores?

    We haven't touched LGBTQA.....

    Nor special education students.....

    That is like letting Frank Castle & Judge Dredd run wild.
    Exactly.

    Escalation isn’t the issue and I would argue that thinking has led to where we are now.

    Gun restrictions, universal background checks and mental health testing should be introduced to gun ownership. And the politicians need to step up and stand up to the gun lobbies and finally introduce gun buy back programs. It’s a complicated process (Australia implemented this fairly successfully) but something needs to be done to reduce the amount of firearms in circulation.

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    The mass shootings get all the news.

    but the constant, one off shootings between people over dumb **** really highlights how many guns there are.

    the "get really angry and pull your gun" is only so common because they around so much. And this happens in the hood, in the suburbs, in the trailers, in the cities, domestic assault, road rage, suicide. All because they are just readily available nad it takes a flash of idiocrasy to use them.

    I don't even think guns should be eliminated ala Australia or something. I don't think that is even possible here.

    But background checks? License? requiring training before getting your license? Stricter and harsher punishments for people who's guns get taken and used in killing? All that **** is common sense to try and control it a touch.

    But instead, everything is going the other way. GA senate passed a law that you don't even need a freaking license! like what kind of sense does that make?

    conservatives just refuse to cooperate on any issue at all unless it involves war because then they all get paid. And if you try and talk about any issue they don't like... the go HARD in the other direction, making the problem even worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    The mass shootings get all the news.

    but the constant, one off shootings between people over dumb **** really highlights how many guns there are.

    the "get really angry and pull your gun" is only so common because they around so much. And this happens in the hood, in the suburbs, in the trailers, in the cities, domestic assault, road rage, suicide. All because they are just readily available nad it takes a flash of idiocrasy to use them.

    I don't even think guns should be eliminated ala Australia or something. I don't think that is even possible here.

    But background checks? License? requiring training before getting your license? Stricter and harsher punishments for people who's guns get taken and used in killing? All that **** is common sense to try and control it a touch.

    But instead, everything is going the other way. GA senate passed a law that you don't even need a freaking license! like what kind of sense does that make?

    conservatives just refuse to cooperate on any issue at all unless it involves war because then they all get paid. And if you try and talk about any issue they don't like... the go HARD in the other direction, making the problem even worse.
    It makes me wonder what conservatives are actually trying to conserve. Other than trying to make the country into a Norman Rockwell painting, a version of the country that never really existed.

    Family values? They don't care about kids or their parents.

    Education? That's for blue haired libs, they need to quit studying basket weaving and go into STEM fields, (for years, people complained about an I.T. shortage, what there really was a shortage of was 25 yr old unmarried software engineers who were willing to take low pay)

    Free Health Care? That's for commies, any social program that helps poor people is communism. Communism is bad because there would be breadlines in the streets, except there were ones when the pandemic started, under capitalism. "My body my choice" when it comes to the vaccine, but not pregnancy or abortions.

    Pull yourself by your bootstraps, rugged individualism, except now people can't afford boots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overhazard View Post
    It makes me wonder what conservatives are actually trying to conserve. .
    low taxes for the rich, guns, abortion, and white supremacy lol. covers all their bases... low taxes for the donors, guns for the 2A crowd, abortion for the religious fundamentalists, white supremacy for those who feel left out and need someone to blame lol

    They always go back to "the 50's."

    aka, the post WW2 boom where america was THE military super power in the world, we were one of the few countries untouched by war so we were an economic powerhouse, one dad could easily work and support a family (support, not survive. house, car, vacation, retirement).

    oh and black people still knew their place, women still knew their place and if they didn't you'd beat their ass because what are they gonna do?, LGBT "didn't exist," kids were getting molested but you kept it "in house," politicians could move in silence because it isn't like there were news outlets going 24/7 and the internet and social media


    and like lots of us have said... politics were always divided (hell, look at Clinton lewinsky ****), there was always repub vs dem... but it didn't get ridiculous and nasty until some uppity mixed dude decided he was gonna run for president and win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    The mass shootings get all the news.

    but the constant, one off shootings between people over dumb **** really highlights how many guns there are.

    the "get really angry and pull your gun" is only so common because they around so much. And this happens in the hood, in the suburbs, in the trailers, in the cities, domestic assault, road rage, suicide. All because they are just readily available nad it takes a flash of idiocrasy to use them.

    I don't even think guns should be eliminated ala Australia or something. I don't think that is even possible here.

    But background checks? License? requiring training before getting your license? Stricter and harsher punishments for people who's guns get taken and used in killing? All that **** is common sense to try and control it a touch.

    But instead, everything is going the other way. GA senate passed a law that you don't even need a freaking license! like what kind of sense does that make?

    conservatives just refuse to cooperate on any issue at all unless it involves war because then they all get paid. And if you try and talk about any issue they don't like... the go HARD in the other direction, making the problem even worse.
    At this point, a radical change is required.

    There are simply too many guns in circulation and something needs to be done to reduce the number. That’s in addition to tightening gun control laws.

    The level of gun violence is far too high for a civilized society. There have been 210 mass shootings in this year alone or something, it’s something that’s been trending upwards over time. It’s obvious now that something needs to be done to curtail all this.

    The second amendment was written at the time the US was a “frontier state” and people needed to protect themselves from the natives and other land grabbers. America became even more militarized after the civil rights era. The truth is, US society as a whole is over-militarized from police to gangs all brandishing heavy weapons. Yes, people will always find ways to kill themselves but you can’t kill 21 people in a school with a knife.

    A lot of countries have experienced mass shootings and the likes but those societies take the time to think and take action to protect themselves. In the US, some people don’t want you to think, they don’t want you to act and they don’t want you to say anything. They simply want the bloodshed to continue so they can reap the profits. It’s a very dire situation.

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    The "good guys with the guns" "back the blue" cops... WOULDNT EVEN GO IN THE BUILDING

    again, left the fucking fox in the hen house nad said he was "contained" as he shot kids.

    Police, armed like the damn military.... wait for back up, wait for tactical, do nothing


    Teachers... we will give you a gun, good luck.

    More teachers have died in these attacks trying to protect their kids than cops have doing anything useful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Username taken View Post
    At this point, a radical change is required.

    There are simply too many guns in circulation and something needs to be done to reduce the number. That’s in addition to tightening gun control laws.

    The level of gun violence is far too high for a civilized society. There have been 210 mass shootings in this year alone or something, it’s something that’s been trending upwards over time. It’s obvious now that something needs to be done to curtail all this.

    The second amendment was written at the time the US was a “frontier state” and people needed to protect themselves from the natives and other land grabbers. America became even more militarized after the civil rights era. The truth is, US society as a whole is over-militarized from police to gangs all brandishing heavy weapons. Yes, people will always find ways to kill themselves but you can’t kill 21 people in a school with a knife.

    A lot of countries have experienced mass shootings and the likes but those societies take the time to think and take action to protect themselves. In the US, some people don’t want you to think, they don’t want you to act and they don’t want you to say anything. They simply want the bloodshed to continue so they can reap the profits. It’s a very dire situation.
    Oh its dumb, im just saying we can't even get little change, radical change is off the table.

    What is stupid is...

    if the GOP is gonna blame "mental health"... ok ... fine... do something with that! you decided what hte problem is... come up with a solution. is you solution free mental health services for minors then? for everyone? Oh wait, thats socialism! can't do that.
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    You know


    the only way the gun stuff changes is if footage from these rampages ends up somewhere on facebook. Similar to George Floyd situation.

    It has to be something horrific to watch that shocks people to the core to the point they feel like they have to burn cities down.

    And im not talking about "streamed to 8chan" like some of those psychos. like legiitmate leaked videos/images showing kids brains blown out dying.

    When it goes from "those poor babies are now in heaven with god" to "oh this is what it looks like" is when you will get the visceral gut punch for something to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    You know


    the only way the gun stuff changes is if footage from these rampages ends up somewhere on facebook. Similar to George Floyd situation.

    It has to be something horrific to watch that shocks people to the core to the point they feel like they have to burn cities down.

    And im not talking about "streamed to 8chan" like some of those psychos. like legiitmate leaked videos/images showing kids brains blown out dying.

    When it goes from "those poor babies are now in heaven with god" to "oh this is what it looks like" is when you will get the visceral gut punch for something to change.
    Even if there was a video that was released it would change anything.

    You bring up George Floyd and the video of him being killed. Yes people protested and took to the streets and there were the normal sound bites and Nancy P stood in a press conference and wore her African cloths. But what has changed? Remember one of the big ractions to the video of a man begging for his life as a cop killed him? Why are we so upset at a criminal dying? If with videos of kids being shot down out there the gun nuts will just say

    "Look there is a teacher right there. I bet if they had a gun this wouldnt have happened!" Heck we even had a poster on this board in the politics section. "Hey this is Merica. These things happen."

    We have had so many "This is it. this is the line things are going to change." Moments and statements in the USA in just the last couple years. It has become the talking point CopyPasta. The Mayor of Buffalo said that the shooting there will bring out real change. it would wake people up. A couple weeks later 19 kids and 2 teachers are murdered. And people are still falling all over themselves to find reasons why guns are not bad. Why people are over reacting. heck ther is a damn NRA conference in Huston this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    The "good guys with the guns" "back the blue" cops... WOULDNT EVEN GO IN THE BUILDING

    again, left the fucking fox in the hen house nad said he was "contained" as he shot kids.

    Police, armed like the damn military.... wait for back up, wait for tactical, do nothing


    Teachers... we will give you a gun, good luck.

    More teachers have died in these attacks trying to protect their kids than cops have doing anything useful.



    Oh its dumb, im just saying we can't even get little change, radical change is off the table.

    What is stupid is...

    if the GOP is gonna blame "mental health"... ok ... fine... do something with that! you decided what hte problem is... come up with a solution. is you solution free mental health services for minors then? for everyone? Oh wait, thats socialism! can't do that.
    What’s even funnier is that in Texas, Abbot actually cut funding to Mental Health Programs.

    The GOP isn’t comprised of serious people. And their silliness and greed is now costing lives literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    Even if there was a video that was released it would change anything.

    You bring up George Floyd and the video of him being killed. Yes people protested and took to the streets and there were the normal sound bites and Nancy P stood in a press conference and wore her African cloths. But what has changed? Remember one of the big ractions to the video of a man begging for his life as a cop killed him? Why are we so upset at a criminal dying? If with videos of kids being shot down out there the gun nuts will just say

    "Look there is a teacher right there. I bet if they had a gun this wouldnt have happened!" Heck we even had a poster on this board in the politics section. "Hey this is Merica. These things happen."

    We have had so many "This is it. this is the line things are going to change." Moments and statements in the USA in just the last couple years. It has become the talking point CopyPasta. The Mayor of Buffalo said that the shooting there will bring out real change. it would wake people up. A couple weeks later 19 kids and 2 teachers are murdered. And people are still falling all over themselves to find reasons why guns are not bad. Why people are over reacting. heck ther is a damn NRA conference in Huston this week.
    I agree.

    Too many people in the US aren’t moved by what they see because it doesn’t affect them directly. And the US has sold its consciousness to big business. America has moved towards “pure oligarchy” where even basic social nets like universal healthcare is being rejected outright. Elected officials that are supposed to take a stand and lead people are now doing the exact opposite.

    The US has the more permissive gun laws in the world and it has the most amount of gun violence of any Western society (maybe even any country on Earth that’s not at war). It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know there’s a direct correlation between gun laws and gun violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    Even if there was a video that was released it would change anything.

    You bring up George Floyd and the video of him being killed. Yes people protested and took to the streets and there were the normal sound bites and Nancy P stood in a press conference and wore her African cloths. But what has changed? Remember one of the big ractions to the video of a man begging for his life as a cop killed him? Why are we so upset at a criminal dying? If with videos of kids being shot down out there the gun nuts will just say

    "Look there is a teacher right there. I bet if they had a gun this wouldnt have happened!" Heck we even had a poster on this board in the politics section. "Hey this is Merica. These things happen."

    We have had so many "This is it. this is the line things are going to change." Moments and statements in the USA in just the last couple years. It has become the talking point CopyPasta. The Mayor of Buffalo said that the shooting there will bring out real change. it would wake people up. A couple weeks later 19 kids and 2 teachers are murdered. And people are still falling all over themselves to find reasons why guns are not bad. Why people are over reacting. heck ther is a damn NRA conference in Huston this week.
    Eh

    I mean, it varies state by state/city by city but the video/protests did change things. Police isn't controlled by one central thing so this stuff is going to vary from town to town.

    It just isn't the sweeping "fire all cops and rehire!" type reform internet people wanted. A lot of states banned the type of chokeholds that kill the dude for example. biden just used an executive order today related to Floyd.

    The US has the more permissive gun laws in the world and it has the most amount of gun violence of any Western society (maybe even any country on Earth that’s not at war). It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know there’s a direct correlation between gun laws and gun violence.
    It also doesn't take rocket scientists to know they will never blanket ban them. It would take a constitutional amendment at this point to do that and that is almost impossible. I mean, there are more guns than people here lol.


    That is why stuff like background checks, training requirements, and common sense stuff should be pushed. The angle can't be, "lets ban XYZ guns" because it will cause a visceral reaction and push back.
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    nah the fire the cops and defund the police was a dumb talking point by people. it was never going to and should not happen.

    I meant the changes that were promised on a national level. There wee all kinds of promises on big police reform and laws will be passed and things will change. Wasnt going to happen because of the GOP and how they dug their heels in. Every time some one talked police reform the GOP yelled "They want to defund the police. They want to fire all cops."

    Even after the Buffalo and Texas shootings they are still yelling about "They are going to take our guns." A video showing the shooting. All that would do is have them double down on teachers being armed and they need more guns. And it would be the "They are taking our guns and using this video as a scare tactic. Look at how bad this video is. More guns would have stopped this."

    And that is not just me being negative. That is the truth. It is the truth because there are decades of mass shootings and the talk after that back this up. There have been videos of shootings. Video of the after math and bodies on the ground and blood on the ground. And it all comes back to the same for the GOP.

    More guns not less. Arm the teachers. A good guy with a gun can stop this." And the classic "They are Going to take our guns."

    They are like a childs doll. Pull the string here the same couple of phrases. "Get the NRA Abbot doll! He really talks!" Ted Cruz Wind him up and watch him go Batteries not needed he is powered by self importance and hate!

    Even common sense stuff like background checks, close the gun show loop hole, no expanded magazines, Red flag laws cause the GOP to lose their minds.

    I know a total gun ban will not work. And will never hapen. But common sense stuff is also never going to happen because the GOP wont let it happen.
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