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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    the show was sold out. The only reason people cared about this was because Tom Hollands name was attached to it. Theater/Broadway fans don't care about looks or being glammed up as much as movie goers do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by godisawesome View Post
    The Last Jedi didn’t try to do anything different regarding the same old family drama and Chosen One/Destiny narrative - it just did exactly that for Luke and Kylo, but in a self-obsessed hipster way, and you can tell because it tried to punish Finn for being the male lead in TFA, and shooed Rey off stage as soon as it declare her unrelated, and made he entire film be about how only the saddest, most self centered Skywalker boys could impact the Galaxy.

    That whole “TLJ was trying something different!” argument is a mix of some minimal truth and a lot of bullshit - it’s just Cynical Classic Star Wars For White Boys. Otherwise, people who liked Rey and Finn would have actually liked the movie. TLJ fans pretty much uniformly either loved Reylo or didn’t give a **** about what was happening to Rey and ignored her: TROS was pandering to LFL’s own Kylo obsession, which was why they fired Trevorrow for *not* giving Kylo an incongruous redemption-into-hero story, rather than any kind of reaction from the audience.

    Also, “Reminder”: the FinnPoe fans never harassed John Boyega in a racist manner, never endorsed an inherently toxic relationship with inherent sexist undertones, and never had enough pull at LFL to impact anything, while Reylo fans *in* LFL successfully moved against Boyega in a racist manner. “Yuri fangirls” don’t have nearly the track record of “Fix the Bad Boy” writers for getting up to ugly shenanigans.

    Although, that brings up another factoid here: LFL’s officially sanctioned Reylo stuff was made by fanboys, not fangirls.

    ...which explains why Finn and Rey get screwed so hard and why Kylo’s even more broken and dysfunctional as a lead character in TLJ and TROS than a “Fix the Bad Boy” fangirls would write it - Kylo fanboys don’t think he needs to get fixed, and want to see themselves and their teenage angst in him rather than treat him as a romance option.

    Arguably, LFL was maybe even *more* racist and sexist towards Rey and Finn because it was dudes pushing Kylo rather than women - at least stuff like Twilight makes a (Bad) stab at making the male love interest sympathetic, while LFL just declared “The Neo Nazi School Shooter Mind Rapist is the most sympathetic character!”
    The key being here for Kylo and Luke, the Last Jedi was an FU to the people who wanted it to just be about family feuds. Neither Kylo and Luke got closure from the conflict. The big climatic reveal was that Rey was a nobody and her power wasn't just hereditary. It turned the narrative of the conflict focusing on individuals/families to it being about forces bigger than all of them and their family history.

    But of course people complained about that then turned around and complained about Rey being a Palpatine then getting paired with a Skywalker(Kylo). That was disney's way of saying here's the family drama/destined bloodlines plot point you people wanted so bad.

    It's fine to dislike TLJ but to ignore it was trying to do something different then getting angry at the results of it backtracking and pandering to fans is being disingenous.
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