Minorities in Comics and Other Media, etc

[Agent Z]

Saw this and thought it was funny, Hollywood hates readheads.

One of those characters is still a redhead, Triss wasn't a redhead in the source material just the gamed and we don't know if the new Ariel will have red hair or not. Their are still plenty of redheads in fiction as seen with Merida in Brave and Mera from Aquaman for a recent example.

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All this of course misses the larger concern that this seems to be mostly white people bitching about fictional characters being race swapped, rather than the bigger issue of ACTUAL people being made white and erased from their own stories, which almost never (if ever) happens to white people.

[Moon Ronin]

One of those characters is still a redhead, Triss wasn't a redhead in the source material just the gamed and we don't know if the new Ariel will have red hair or not. Their are still plenty of redheads in fiction as seen with Merida in Brave and Mera from Aquaman for a recent example.

I just thought it was funny throw in Zendaya being M.J. (but not Marry Jane) and she will also be Chini in the up coming Dune (who also had red hair) I just think it is a funny coincidence.

All this of course misses the larger concern that this seems to be mostly white people bitching about fictional characters being race swapped, rather than the bigger issue of ACTUAL people being made white and erased from their own stories, which almost never (if ever) happens to white people.

I completely agree with that as Ben Affleck portrayed a real life person (Antonio J. Mendez) in Argo, Affleck is not Latino far from it so any one only familiar with the story from them movie won't see him for who he was. But to be fair to Ben, Mendez said that he had no problem with the casting.

As for fiction I really not care Al Pacino playing a Puerto-Rican in Scarface and Carlito's Way is no big deal to me.

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I just thought it was funny throw in Zendaya being M.J. (but not Marry Jane) and she will also be Chini in the up coming Dune (who also had red hair) I just think it is a funny coincidence.



I completely agree with that as Ben Affleck portrayed a real life person (Antonio J. Mendez) in Argo, Affleck is not Latino far from it so any one only familiar with the story from them movie won't see him for who he was. But to be fair to Ben, Mendez said that he had no problem with the casting.

As for fiction I really not care Al Pacino playing a Puerto-Rican in Scarface and Carlito's Way is no big deal to me.

There was also that movie about the group of college kids that used probability to engineer a casino racket. It was primarily (perhaps totally) ethnically Asian students and instead the guy from Across the Universe and that actress with heterochromia starred in it (I can't think of their names).

[Moon Ronin]

There was also that movie about the group of college kids that used probability to engineer a casino racket. It was primarily (perhaps totally) ethnically Asian students and instead the guy from Across the Universe and that actress with heterochromia starred in it (I can't think of their names).

That movie was 21 staring Jim Sturgess and Kate Bosworth, About MIT students that counted cards in Vegas.

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That movie was 21, About MIT students that counted cards in Vegas.

Right, that's the one. Generally, that kind of stuff bothers me more than made up characters being swapped around, unless changing race would make the premise silly.

That said, I do give Hamilton a pass, mostly because changing races was specifically part of the artistic intent, and I don't think there is any danger of someone thinking that Thomas Jefferson actually looked like Daveed Diggs.

[Moon Ronin]

Right, that's the one. Generally, that kind of stuff bothers me more than made up characters being swapped around, unless changing race would make the premise silly.

That said, I do give Hamilton a pass, mostly because changing races was specifically part of the artistic intent, and I don't think there is any danger of someone thinking that Thomas Jefferson actually looked like Daveed Diggs.

Its funny though, I read a lot biographies and on the Cover of Ron Chernow's Alexander Hamilton it says that it is the Inspiration for the Broadway Musical. I had to look in to it but Lin-Manuel Miranda did read the book and that is one of the reasons that he became interested and thinking of it as a musical. There is no singing in the book however.

[BroHomo]

Saw this and thought it was funny, Hollywood hates readheads.

Doesn't explain Ron Howard and the army of freckled Ginger snaps soldiers he's amassing?

But people, whether privileged or not, don't like to have things taken away. Especially if there is a sense of belonging or ownership. Minorities haven't liked it when whites do black or yellowface, or race bend. It's the same way with whites.

Dude. It. Really.Isnt. but if you've gotten thís far in life believing that despite all evidence contrary to it you're made of sterner stuff than i am.

Now, as someone who has an idea of power imbalances in America, I would accept a person of a different race, ethnicity, gender, or sexuality to play a traditionally non-minority role. Like I stated before, I totally accepted an Asian Danny Rand for Netflix's Iron Fist. The performance, the spirit of the role, that should be the most important thing. But yeah, changing a prominent quality of a character, I still say people exercise awareness of others, cis white males included.

you can't HELP but be aware of their presence they're all over the place! Even in places they have no reason/no business to be just there because it wasn't geared towards them .... like an Amazon Indigenous people support group...or someone told them they couldn't... like the white house lol

Perhaps this is where we differ. Documentaries and books are supposed to be fairly accurate of the past, I agree. But if a movie or TV show is trying to present itself as real history, than it isn't just a performance or interpretation. It isn't a Hamilton or Les Miserables. It should be accurate to the time period. We were not as diverse as we are now. And yes I believe that race and ethnicity are a parts of that. These physical features aren't completely different from the past. I feel that they are more prominent features than relative health.

Dude i think most folks know you can't Just "watch the movie" to get a good understanding of history... butI if actors inconsequential race distracts a person that they can't "learn" anything from movie Their focusing on the wrong thing.

Let me be clear though; I lean towards this belief. I don't fully agree with it. Hence, I'm open to the possibility of Gemma Chan playing the role. Because perhaps that performance could be that good.

I don't think this movie is promoted as being EXTREMELY accurate life like it was in the 1500s which is fine it's not Educational it's Entertainment.
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IN the most emotional scene in the movie Elizabeth and Mary meet up when they're younger and have a good talk about their lives/ fears/ hope for the future. And that never happened The 2 Queens Never. Met.
But i still hope you enjoy the film Dude

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All this of course misses the larger concern that this seems to be mostly white people bitching about fictional characters being race swapped, rather than the bigger issue of ACTUAL people being made white and erased from their own stories, which almost never (if ever) happens to white people.

Dude forreal this FiveReal
This seemed esp hilarious and soooo on point

[G. Boney]

Right, that's the one. Generally, that kind of stuff bothers me more than made up characters being swapped around, unless changing race would make the premise silly.

That said, I do give Hamilton a pass, mostly because changing races was specifically part of the artistic intent, and I don't think there is any danger of someone thinking that Thomas Jefferson actually looked like Daveed Diggs.

Plus Hamilton is a stage play. People of various ethnicities tend to star as whoever in plays...seems to be an unwritten, understood thing.

[Tien Long]

Dude. It. Really.Isnt. but if you've gotten thís far in life believing that despite all evidence contrary to it you're made of sterner stuff than i am.

Got it, Bro. Agree to disagree then. I'm still striving to understand minorities in media and the history of it.

Dude i think most folks know you can't Just "watch the movie" to get a good understanding of history... butI if actors inconsequential race distracts a person that they can't "learn" anything from movie Their focusing on the wrong thing.


I don't think this movie is promoted as being EXTREMELY accurate life like it was in the 1500s which is fine it's not Educational it's Entertainment.
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IN the most emotional scene in the movie Elizabeth and Mary meet up when they're younger and have a good talk about their lives/ fears/ hope for the future. And that never happened The 2 Queens Never. Met.

It's a matter of degrees. People can accept an artistic liberty of two people meeting in a movie who never met in real life. But for other people, race can be that one thing. Yeah, that's what we've been talking about, correct? If race weren't important, we'd all be fine with traditionally white roles being played by just white people? Race, ethnicity, that deep down need for everyone to see someone like them, some people can't accept that change. Especially in movies that present themselves as being serious history stuff. That's the impression I got with Mary Queen of Scots, it's serious history stuff, not a mere performance.

But i still hope you enjoy the film Dude

Is there an implication that I wouldn't enjoy the film because of Gemma Chan? If so.....that stings, Bro. Yeah, I've talked about historical accuracy, but I also said I'd be open to Gemma's performance. I lean towards historical accuracy or tradition in appearance for these films, but if the decision has already been made? The role has been cast? Yeah, I'll still watch it. Indeed, as someone who pushes heavily for Asian representation in media, I'd support this. Part of me wishes it was done in a different way, yes, but this is still good representation.

[PwrdOn]

Saw this and thought it was funny, Hollywood hates readheads.

If Hollywood hated redheads, then there wouldn't be so many of them in fiction in the first place, given that in real life they make up a tiny minority of a single race, and even then tend to have much more muted hair colors than the bright fire engine red seen in fiction. Yet throughout comics and other media, the "fiery redheads" in starring roles vastly outnumber practically all non-white characters combined, to the point where they basically don't stand out at all, which kind of defeats the purpose of giving them red hair to begin with. Changing these characters to another race actually does a pretty good job of highlighting their outsider status, since no one these days would bat an eye at a literal "red headed stepchild," but a black Annie could and did stand out for her "otherness."

Its funny though, I read a lot biographies and on the Cover of Ron Chernow's Alexander Hamilton it says that it is the Inspiration for the Broadway Musical. I had to look in to it but Lin-Manuel Miranda did read the book and that is one of the reasons that he became interested and thinking of it as a musical. There is no singing in the book however.

The reason all the main characters are race swapped in Hamilton is to try and make the fundamental conflict, which in reality was just one group of wealthy white landowners trying to protect their privileges against another group of wealthy white landowners, hit a little bit closer to home for contemporary audiences. If anything, this helps to paint the founding fathers in a much better light than they really deserve, because while Hamilton and his supporters may have been rather forward thinking for their day, they certainly were no crusaders for racial or gender equality. And Miranda definitely picked up this idea from the book, which is a good read but definitely tries to paint Hamilton as much more of a radical reformer than he really was.

[kurenai24]

Saw this and thought it was funny, Hollywood hates readheads.

The actress playing Triss is not black/biracial

The LoT hawgirl wasn't Shayera but Kendra who's not a redhead.

There is a black Wally West.

Starfire is an alien and the actress has red hair for the role.

Mistakes like those is how you know it's not red head genocide that people claim to care/worry about but that it's black actors playing the role.

[Username taken]

The actress playing Triss is not black/biracial

The LoT hawgirl wasn't Shayera but Kendra who's not a redhead.

There is a black Wally West.

Starfire is an alien and the actress has red hair for the role.

Mistakes like those is how you know it's not red head genocide that people claim to care/worry about but that it's black actors playing the role.

I was about to make that point too.

The funnier one is people getting up in arms about mythical characters non-human characters getting cast with black actors. Ariel and Starfire aren’t even human in the traditional sense so I still don’t get the controversy over them.

[Malvolio]

I was about to make that point too.

The funnier one is people getting up in arms about mythical characters non-human characters getting cast with black actors. Ariel and Starfire aren’t even human in the traditional sense so I still don’t get the controversy over them.

Oh, I totally get it. It's racist white dudes who find all Black women ugly so they don't want to think about jerking off to them.

[Electricmastro]

Anyways, felt like giving a shout out recognition post to Ace Harlem, a heroic black detective from back in the day.