Minorities in Comics and Other Media, etc

[G. Boney]

Is that you? Nice cosplay.

Nope. Just something cool I ran across today on facebook

[kurenai24]

Some design concepts for Abby from Last of Us 2. It seems she was originally going to be black (her dad appeared to be black in the first game).

I hate stuff like this.

Oh Raven from Teen Titans was gonna be black, but calling a black person Raven is so wrong so instead of tossing the name we got rid of the skin color lololololo.

Oh Dazzler was was based on Grace Jones and even shared similarties with her from skin color to hairstyle but we changed it lololololo.

Oh let me show you these concept art of these characters as black people, that we didn't go through with, I could have saved it to myself and showed the design process with them being white since that's what they canonically are lolololololo.



It does not make me happy to see or hear why creators didn't go against the grain and went against a concept that would have been creatively different. Despite the saying "It's the thought that counts" that does not apply to representation and no pats on the back will be given; in all honesty those little factoids should have been kept to themselves.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Ubisoft Family Accused of Mishandling Sexual Misconduct Claims. Article by Jason Schreier









https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...xism-and-abuse

Jason Schreier should really win an award for breaking some of the industry's biggest stories the last few years. He's that darn good and really takes the job serious being a games journalist. I have seen videos where its something he's broke news wise and people detail it in video.

[Anthony Shaw]

I hate stuff like this.

Oh Raven from Teen Titans was gonna be black, but calling a black person Raven is so wrong so instead of tossing the name we got rid of the skin color lololololo.

Oh Dazzler was was based on Grace Jones and even shared similarties with her from skin color to hairstyle but we changed it lololololo.

Oh let me show you these concept art of these characters as black people, that we didn't go through with, I could have saved it to myself and showed the design process with them being white since that's what they canonically are lolololololo.



It does not make me happy to see or hear why creators didn't go against the grain and went against a concept that would have been creatively different. Despite the saying "It's the thought that counts" that does not apply to representation and no pats on the back will be given; in all honesty those little factoids should have been kept to themselves.

Yeah, my jaw did drop when I first saw the preliminary design for Dazzler.

Just think, within a span of 5 years, fans could have seen the introductions of Storm, Misty Knight, and Dazzler. It would have been a nice compliment to Black Panther, Falcon, & Luke Cage.

[Anthony Shaw]

If I remember TTD had smoke for anybody who didn't feel he was on Michael Jackson level of talent too. I had a potna that rocked tough for dude and this was in the 90's. He nearly had me convinced til I snapped back to reality. Talented cat for sho but... c'mon.

I was still in elementary when his first album dropped. Everyone thought he had great tracks, but he was not on the levels of Prince or Michael Jackson.

I'm in my mid-40's, and still bumping Prince & MJ.

I only thought of TDD after reading posts in this thread.

[Agent Z]

It's no secret that he's bipolar and that he refuses to take his medication. His family has even said that he occasionally goes on manic episodes and they just ride it out until he goes back tp normal. What I find interesting is that his family and management team let him go in public when he's in this state. They can't force him to take his meds, but you'd think they'd say something like, "Hey let's wait a few more days before you do that press conference, Kanye."

In West's defense, it's hard to know what you should and shouldn't say in public when you've married into a family that built their empire on airing their dirty laundry for the entire world to see.

[Nate Grey]

I hate stuff like this.

Oh Raven from Teen Titans was gonna be black, but calling a black person Raven is so wrong so instead of tossing the name we got rid of the skin color lololololo.

Oh Dazzler was was based on Grace Jones and even shared similarties with her from skin color to hairstyle but we changed it lololololo.

Oh let me show you these concept art of these characters as black people, that we didn't go through with, I could have saved it to myself and showed the design process with them being white since that's what they canonically are lolololololo.



It does not make me happy to see or hear why creators didn't go against the grain and went against a concept that would have been creatively different. Despite the saying "It's the thought that counts" that does not apply to representation and no pats on the back will be given; in all honesty those little factoids should have been kept to themselves.

I always get annoyed when I see stuff like this. "See I WAS gonna cast this person as black, but see what had happened was..." REALLY agree with the bolded cause it doesn't do whoever is saying that any favors.

[Agent Z]

Then again, given how the internet has reacted to a white Abby, maybe not having her be black was dodging a bullet.

[Ragged Maw]

Question: Has there ever been a witty satire/spoof on “Oscar bait” when it comes to films depicting the past ordeals of marginalized communities under oppression? Like an “uplifting” film that’s 4 and a half straight hours of activists getting their asses kicked or worse for being different and marching? AND all while an extremely slow and sad rendition of an otherwise spiritual song plays in the background? Like, think of a sequel to Tropic Thunder where that ******* exec played by Tom Cruise greenlights a film called “Mutilated but Unbroken” or “The Power of Masochism” which is very much depression porn centered on such struggles, and claims (implicitly or otherwise) to make anyone who sees it turn into a fountain of newfound empathy after one viewing.

[Surf]

In West's defense, it's hard to know what you should and shouldn't say in public when you've married into a family that built their empire on airing their dirty laundry for the entire world to see.

Ignorance of the law... and so by law I mean, the workings of a marriage via celebrity sex tape, is no excuse. Kris, please remind Ye once again.

[ed2962]

Yeah, my jaw did drop when I first saw the preliminary design for Dazzler.

Just think, within a span of 5 years, fans could have seen the introductions of Storm, Misty Knight, and Dazzler. It would have been a nice compliment to Black Panther, Falcon, & Luke Cage.

It was John Romita Jr that was pushing for the Grace Jones version of Dazzler. Originally, Marvel had a deal with Casablanca records and there was going to be Dazzler records and movies and the comics were going to be another form of merchandise. Originally, actress Bo Derek was going to be "Dazzler" or whatever they were going to call her. When the project never materialized Marvel decided to do their own character that they could own completely. Supposedly, at one of the pitch meetings JRJR said something like, "You guys don't understand this scene at all. I actually go to the clubs" and told them it'd be more realistic to make her more of a Grace Jones influenced character, but the editors weren't having it.

[ed2962]

Question: Has there ever been a witty satire/spoof on “Oscar bait” when it comes to films depicting the past ordeals of marginalized communities under oppression? Like an “uplifting” film that’s 4 and a half straight hours of activists getting their asses kicked or worse for being different and marching? AND all while an extremely slow and sad rendition of an otherwise spiritual song plays in the background? Like, think of a sequel to Tropic Thunder where that ******* exec played by Tom Cruise greenlights a film called “Mutilated but Unbroken” or “The Power of Masochism” which is very much depression porn centered on such struggles, and claims (implicitly or otherwise) to make anyone who sees it turn into a fountain of newfound empathy after one viewing.

If you mean a full length film, part of me thinks there should have been, but I can't think of one off the top of my head. There's this though...

[ed2962]

In West's defense, it's hard to know what you should and shouldn't say in public when you've married into a family that built their empire on airing their dirty laundry for the entire world to see.

The problem isn't so much that he's airing his dirty laundry, it's that he's having nervous breakdowns in public. I just wish his manager or whoever would just tell him no once in a while.

[Anthony Shaw]

It was John Romita Jr that was pushing for the Grace Jones version of Dazzler. Originally, Marvel had a deal with Casablanca records and there was going to be Dazzler records and movies and the comics were going to be another form of merchandise. Originally, actress Bo Derek was going to be "Dazzler" or whatever they were going to call her. When the project never materialized Marvel decided to do their own character that they could own completely. Supposedly, at one of the pitch meetings JRJR said something like, "You guys don't understand this scene at all. I actually go to the clubs" and told them it'd be more realistic to make her more of a Grace Jones influenced character, but the editors weren't having it.

It was the JRJR image that I saw years ago. I did not know about the Bo Derek involvement.

[Ragged Maw]

If you mean a full length film, part of me thinks there should have been, but I can't think of one off the top of my head. There's this though...

Well, I was thinking more of like, Mel Gibson's Passion of The Christ but with characters from a marginalized group in place of Jesus, and milked for all its worth by Hollywood. That kind of spoof/satire.