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THIS IS THE WAY: Geeks And Gamers Go FULL SJW KAREN! Triggered Over Ewan McGregor

Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers goes into a full meltdown like a true SJW/Karen, all because Ewan McGregor dared to ask people not to be bullies on the internet... LOL! #ObiWanKenobi #StarWars #EwanMcGregor #MosesIngram

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[MindofShadow]

Disney loves this shit. They are doing it on purpose at this point.

Gonna cast a POC lead on every show just for the free marketing lol

[godisawesome]

Disney loves this shit. They are doing it on purpose at this point.

Gonna cast a POC lead on every show just for the free marketing lol

The thing is… they already have: The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Rogue One, all those shows are pretty much constructed of only POC or women when it comes to the heroic leads…

…though that does mean it should be pointed out that black people are still scarcer in the line-up, and that Ingram’s *specific* race is likely triggering the idiots more than anything else.

We can sadly probably observe the “racist hierarchy” in racist reactions towards the Disney-era products, and we can also see how gender plays into it as well… and where some white “progressives” play favorites: there’s likely a reason why Boyega, Tran, and Ingram seemed to get it worse, but also get defended in different and haphazard ways.

Boyega didn’t *initially* get it as bad as Ingram and Tran would (because they’re women, which triggers idiots even more), but it was still horrifically stupid and then likely fell afoul of “white feminism” when it came time to defend him, as many tacitly tolerated the films themselves denigrating and punishing him for being a “rival” to Adam Driver for the male lead and romantic lead role. The fact he’s become outspoken in pointing this out and being an activist has given him a voice, but also ticked off those LFL and fanbase members who prefer to labor under the delusion that TLJ was perfect.

Tran, as a woman and minority, got it viciously bad right out the gate, and especially when TLJ came out and put her at the forefront of the film’s labored (and at time hypocritically betrayed) messaging but without giving her a worthy role for her talents - thus she ends up with most good people recognizing she’s an excellent actress being attacked by racists… but also some obfuscation where people wanting to defend the character (because doing so let’s them defend the film and it’s hypocrisies) by attacking others who defend Tran but not the character.

Moses is arguably in the worst position, since she’s black (the most triggering minority for American racists), a woman, *and* in a story where the lead character is explicitly and unequivocally a white guy, so racists can try to “blame” her for McGregor “not being fully utilized” or some such nonsense.

[Overhazard]

The thing is… they already have: The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Rogue One, all those shows are pretty much constructed of only POC or women when it comes to the heroic leads…

…though that does mean it should be pointed out that black people are still scarcer in the line-up, and that Ingram’s *specific* race is likely triggering the idiots more than anything else.

We can sadly probably observe the “racist hierarchy” in racist reactions towards the Disney-era products, and we can also see how gender plays into it as well… and where some white “progressives” play favorites: there’s likely a reason why Boyega, Tran, and Ingram seemed to get it worse, but also get defended in different and haphazard ways.

Boyega didn’t *initially* get it as bad as Ingram and Tran would (because they’re women, which triggers idiots even more), but it was still horrifically stupid and then likely fell afoul of “white feminism” when it came time to defend him, as many tacitly tolerated the films themselves denigrating and punishing him for being a “rival” to Adam Driver for the male lead and romantic lead role. The fact he’s become outspoken in pointing this out and being an activist has given him a voice, but also ticked off those LFL and fanbase members who prefer to labor under the delusion that TLJ was perfect.

Tran, as a woman and minority, got it viciously bad right out the gate, and especially when TLJ came out and put her at the forefront of the film’s labored (and at time hypocritically betrayed) messaging but without giving her a worthy role for her talents - thus she ends up with most good people recognizing she’s an excellent actress being attacked by racists… but also some obfuscation where people wanting to defend the character (because doing so let’s them defend the film and it’s hypocrisies) by attacking others who defend Tran but not the character.

Moses is arguably in the worst position, since she’s black (the most triggering minority for American racists), a woman, *and* in a story where the lead character is explicitly and unequivocally a white guy, so racists can try to “blame” her for McGregor “not being fully utilized” or some such nonsense.

The hatred that she's getting is really bizarre. This show is a prequel, we already know that Obi-Wan saves Leia and makes it to A New Hope, that's a foregone conclusion, it's not like she curb stomps Obi-Wan every time she sees him, Vader was doing that. He manages to stay one step ahead and get away from her, I don't even think they've even faced each other yet.

Obi-Wan can take down mooks and stormtroopers without a problem, but he isn't in top form, he's clearly having a problem fighting other force users.

[MindofShadow]

Star Wars fans are just miserable in general though. They hate everything except memes and act like the OT was a LotR masterpiece

[godisawesome]

Star Wars fans are just miserable in general though. They hate everything except memes and act like the OT was a LotR masterpiece

I actually think that’s a tad bit exaggerated, especially compared to Star Trek and DC fans. The PT’s divisive nature broke down mostly along generational lines, since Millenials were young enough to love the core story and it’s concepts while older fans were turned off by the rougher execution, while the ST breaks downtrodden more along whether one thinks TLJ was a good film or an abomination of pretentiousness and ignorance. One of the things that I think gets forgotten too easily is how successful The Force Awakens was in word of mouth and especially in the reception it’s cast and characters received at the time, which of the purposes of this thread, can be observed in a pretty positive sense for John Boyega - while his initial casting and reveal in the first trailer caused the racists to come out, the film itself shut them right the hell up, even given it’s more problematic moments for him.

The best “cover” from racism and sexism, it turns out, is being in a good product, because everyone can tell the racist just wants to whine and thus can’t even recognize good stuff. It deprives them of “recruits” from more mainstream fans who’s biases might be more hidden or recessed in the background of their mind. TFA, in spite of Star Wars fans’ reputation for being unpleasable, actually got the fanbase largely reunited in a good way, even though we all knew it wasn’t really a “great film”; Star Wars fans actually have somewhat easy-to-reach standards in execution.

Boyega (and Tran) really saw the attacks heat up only after TLJ came out - because then the racists could “recruit” people who were dissatisfied with the story, but were too intellectually lazy or already predisposed towards racism to actually analyze its problems.

Moses is stuck in a decent but more clearly flawed Star Wars product - where there’s a larger number of dissatisfied fans to try and recruit.

[skyvolt2000]

Boyega (and Tran) really saw the attacks heat up only after TLJ came out - because then the racists could “recruit” people who were dissatisfied with the story, but were too intellectually lazy or already predisposed towards racism to actually analyze its problems.

Moses is stuck in a decent but more clearly flawed Star Wars product - where there’s a larger number of dissatisfied fans to try and recruit.

Boyega got it the MOMENT his teaser trailer came out.

They did NOT wait till TLJ.

And yes there some READY to use theaters as target practice over him.

And speaking of Star Wars. Guess who will be here in Dallas June 15-17.

Charging $100 for autographs-Gina Joy Carano. Along with the cast (most of it) Madeiran and House of Bubba Fett and the Lords of the Rings movie cast.

Of course all will be overshadowed by the Undertaker (autographs at $229), Levar Burton and Brent Spiner and the entire cast of Dexter.

[CSTowle]

Star Wars fans are just miserable in general though. They hate everything except memes and act like the OT was a LotR masterpiece

As an old white male Star Wars fan, I will second. I am miserable. Mostly because while I liked the original trilogy it wasn't a masterpiece, but it was good (however flawed) and we've had two big attempts at a trilogy since then by both the guy who conceived and executed the original trilogy and when that failed also by the largest entertainment entity of all time with unlimited resources, and they both failed to execute what seems like a pretty simple formula.

The Prequels are more easily forgivable as a Star Wars fan because while they're terrible they had a few knocks against them. 1. Lucas had clearly lost his fastball and the novelty factor. He also (like Peter Jackson would be later with the Hobbit "trilogy") was too enamored of the technology of CGI and focused more on that then developing a story or characters. 2. The weight of fan expectations that meant they likely never could have fully satisfied old-school fans.

3. Two of the main characters aren't large personalities but are more quiet, subtle actors (Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor) and then Natalie Portman who takes that quietness to wooden levels. Ray Park was basically a cardboard cutout from the neck up and outside of his "edgy" (not a head-spike pun) look had almost nothing going on. Hayden was petulant and whiny (so on track as the father of a Luke), and Samuel L. was wasted. No big personalities (or, in the case of Samuel L., not allowed to be) in a personality-driven space opera. Not great. The guy who played Palpatine was the best character in the trilogy, and that's just sad.

4. Political machinations and trade embargoes, instead of a ragtag group of rebels on the run from space Nazis. I get wanting to set up the story of the fall of the Republic, but you can do that in short bursts (not so short as, "Palpatine came back...somehow" but with a quick explanation or a few key scenes). 5. We already know the outcome. Sure, we wanted to see it (well, before we actually did) but you can't discount the mystery factor. 6. Jar-Jar.

On the reverse, it had the one thing the sequel trilogy severely lacked: a sensible and consistent narrative. Things made sense. The story progressed. It was boring and slow often, but it was a basic story and not a mish-mash of ideas it looks like a committee threw at a wall to see what stuck. It also had some exciting scenes. The pod races, the Maul duel/Qui-Gon death, the turning of Anakin, the end battle between Anakin and Obi-Wan (despite the most ridiculous line in the franchise aside from the return of Palpatine with the whole "high ground" nonsense between people with force jumping and laser swords).

The sequels looked like the worst case of a "made by committee". But I'd bet everything I own (a meager sum, but still I'd bet it confidently) that if Disney had simply found a large Star Wars fan-club and locked the super-fan members in a room together for 3 days and said "come up with a script" they 100% would have done a better job. Strong characters. Exciting fights and chase scenes. Simple stakes and scary villains. Quips. An easy to follow and consistent story. The same thing Disney is doing with dozens of Marvel franchises simultaneously. How they did this to Star Wars I'll never know, but my guess is too much faith in JJ Abrams.

Rant over, old man done yelling at clouds. But my main point is, we don't come to our Star Wars misery easily. It was a slow turn to the Dark Side, and well-earned.

[Tendrin]

I will add the prequels also look better in retrospect precisely because of everything that's happened over the last twenty years. People are appreciating what Lucas was saying a *little* more than they did at the time and that does play a role, in addition to nostalgia, as to why people are looking back at them more fondly with its narrative through lines.

The sequels are just an ugly, ugly mess.

[Agent Z]

The hatred that she's getting is really bizarre. This show is a prequel, we already know that Obi-Wan saves Leia and makes it to A New Hope, that's a foregone conclusion, it's not like she curb stomps Obi-Wan every time she sees him, Vader was doing that. He manages to stay one step ahead and get away from her, I don't even think they've even faced each other yet.

Obi-Wan can take down mooks and stormtroopers without a problem, but he isn't in top form, he's clearly having a problem fighting other force users.

People are already accusing her of "stealing" the spotlight from Kenobi, which could not be further from the truth. People like this will also say stuff like "this is why I prefer manga" as if that medium isn't filled with stories that can have the main hero absent from the action due to being dead, incapacitated or too far away.

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Obi-Wan Is Being Review Bombed As Disney Calls Out Racists
After Star Wars said "don't choose to be a racist", racist fans have review bombed the series.
https://www.thegamer.com/obi-wan-is-...s-out-racists/

Obi-Wan Kenobi Gets Review-Bombed on Rotten Tomatoes
https://thedirect.com/article/obi-wa...otten-tomatoes


‘She’s a Bad Actress’: Star Wars Fans Review Bombing Obi-Wan Kenobi After Moses Ingram Controversy
https://fandomwire.com/shes-a-bad-ac...m-controversy/

Some talk.
People are Review Bombing Obi-Wan Kenobi....cause apparently not even a show as unabashedly and authentically Star Wars as this is will please them"Intelligent, respectful discourse" (rottentomatoes.com)
https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthan...n_kenobicause/

[Besouro]

Disney loves this shit. They are doing it on purpose at this point.

Gonna cast a POC lead on every show just for the free marketing lol

Would that be such a bad thing?

[babyblob]

Would that be such a bad thing?

Its not a bad thing at all. What is a bad thing is Disney acting shocked every time there is racism thrown the way of the actors by people. The Lead POC, the gay character in Beauty and the Beasts. They know this will get negative reaction.

I am very happy they cast gay and POC but they need to quit playing so innocent when they are shocked that it had a negative response when they know it is going to. Now they got in front of it with Moses Ingram and told her to expect it. But to the press every time there is a racist or Homophobic reaction they do the "We never saw this coming. We are shocked and saddened." When what they need to do is Publicly say "We knew this was going to happen because to much of our country are back wards in their thinking and are filled with hate for no reason." Rather then playing the victim Disney needs to call these people out and not leave it up to the actors to do it on their own.

[Lord Morph]

People are already accusing her of "stealing" the spotlight from Kenobi, which could not be further from the truth. People like this will also say stuff like "this is why I prefer manga" as if that medium isn't filled with stories that can have the main hero absent from the action due to being dead, incapacitated or too far away.

People say they prefer manga, because according to them, the medium is not "woke" and filled with "politics" . This is false though.