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**XPac** · 07-18-2019, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1

In watching the clips of Kevin Owens/Shane McMahon its like the company is trying to recreate Austin vs McMahon but not realizing how or why Austin vs McMahon worked so well . In fact I'll run it down.

- Steve Austin was allowed to be the lone wild card tweener type til fans turned him face as we saw. In the Raw Reviews of 1997 I did Austin was busy giving Vince hell , giving Bret hell and more or less being a disruptive force of nature backstage at times. No one else ever said Vince and the WWF was holding anyone down. Only Bret Hart was angry over things but none of the roster ever called Vince out beyond Steve Austin who was being crazy.

- Also it was a slow build as we saw for Austin vs McMahon. It wasn't that the angle touched off ASAP. It had built through 1997 into 1998 as it exploded after Wrestlemania. The company laid ground work there.

- Kevin Owens should have started raising hell backstage and being his ROH self back there. Getting warned over his behavior at times by Shane. With Owens beating a camera man up and proclaiming , "I don't have to play anyones game anymore and ill do whatever the hell I want !"

If your trying to recreate the magic you have to build the angle to really take off. You have to lay ground work that Shane doesn't want Owens as World Champion and tries to create stipulations on the sly. Then once Owens wins the title shot at say...Royal Rumble he's supposed to admit as much as he doesn't think Owens fits the image of a WWE World champion. Owens basically goes to WAR against Shane after it.

Here its like within 2-3 weeks we see them decide to make Owens suddenly angry at Shane. He's delivering pipe bombs etc.

It's not the same as Austin vs McMahon, though. With Austin vs McMahon the story was that McMahon didn't want Austin as champion. In the case of KO vs Shane, Shane initially had no problem with KO... the problem was more that KO had a problem with Shane hogging up the TV time that he believed could be better utilized by other wrestlers. Yes, it's a story about an authority figure vs a wrestler, but the build is different because the issue is actually different. The title actually has nothing to do with it at this point... though I'll wager by Wrestlemania time that will figure into the mix as KO should be top Smackdown face by that point.

**BeastieRunner** · 07-18-2019, 10:02 AM

G-1 2019 Standings

A Block
T1. Kazuchika Okada 4
T1. KENTA 4
T1. Lance Archer 4
T2. Bad Luck Fale 2
T2. SANADA 2
T2. Will Ospreay 2
T2. EVIL 2
T3. Hiroshi Tanahashi 0
T3. Kota Ibushi 0
T3. Zack Sabre Jr. 0

B Block
T1. Jon Moxley 4
T1. Juice Robinson 4
T1. Tomohiro Ishii 4
T2. Hirooki Goto 2
T2. Shingo Takagi 2
T2. Taichi 2
T2. Toru Yano 2
T3. Jay White 0
T3. Jeff Cobb 0
T3. Tetsuya Naito 0

BTW ... Ospreay vs. Ibushi is a MotY contender! I want MORE!

**Immortal Weapon** · 07-18-2019, 11:57 AM

Jay White and Ibushi not having any points makes me cry.

**master of read** · 07-18-2019, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by BeastieRunner

G-1 2019 Standings

A Block
T1. Kazuchika Okada 4
T1. KENTA 4
T1. Lance Archer 4
T2. Bad Luck Fale 2
T2. SANADA 2
T2. Will Ospreay 2
T2. EVIL 2
T3. Hiroshi Tanahashi 0
T3. Kota Ibushi 0
T3. Zack Sabre Jr. 0

B Block
T1. Jon Moxley 4
T1. Juice Robinson 4
T1. Tomohiro Ishii 4
T2. Hirooki Goto 2
T2. Shingo Takagi 2
T2. Taichi 2
T2. Toru Yano 2
T3. Jay White 0
T3. Jeff Cobb 0
T3. Tetsuya Naito 0

BTW ... Ospreay vs. Ibushi is a MotY contender! I want MORE!

you're gonna need to update block A. KENTA and okada have 6 points now.

Originally Posted by Immortal Weapon

Jay White and Ibushi not having any points makes me cry.

ibushi beat ospray so he's on the board.

but i'm said ZSJ has no points yet.

**titanfan** · 07-18-2019, 12:18 PM

In watching the clips of Kevin Owens/Shane McMahon its like the company is trying to recreate Austin vs McMahon but not realizing how or why Austin vs McMahon worked so well . In fact I'll run it down.

They're not trying to recreate it per se, I see it as a homage.

**SUPERECWFAN1** · 07-18-2019, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by XPac

It's not the same as Austin vs McMahon, though. With Austin vs McMahon the story was that McMahon didn't want Austin as champion. In the case of KO vs Shane, Shane initially had no problem with KO... the problem was more that KO had a problem with Shane hogging up the TV time that he believed could be better utilized by other wrestlers. Yes, it's a story about an authority figure vs a wrestler, but the build is different because the issue is actually different. The title actually has nothing to do with it at this point... though I'll wager by Wrestlemania time that will figure into the mix as KO should be top Smackdown face by that point.

Well more or less Vince didn't want Austin to be the main star of the company (the title was part of that). But they slowly built the program to where both men were destined to clash. This seems like suddenly Owens felt this way , with no real build. No frustration at what is going on and him suddenly dropping "pipe bombs" etc.

Originally Posted by titanfan

They're not trying to recreate it per se, I see it as a homage.

If its a homage its a rush job in a sense. I said it years ago as Owens was a hot heel at the time he should have been pushed as this anti-hero role and feuded and beat every McMahon. After he did this ...they should have had him run through each one. (with HHH at Wrestlemania that year of 2018)

**BeastieRunner** · 07-18-2019, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by master of read

you're gonna need to update block A. KENTA and okada have 6 points now.

ibushi beat ospray so he's on the board.

but i'm said ZSJ has no points yet.

I hadn't finished tonight (today?) yet when I posted. UPDATED!

G1 Climax 29 Standings

A Block
KENTA – 6
Kazuchika Okada – 6
Lance Archer – 4
EVIL – 4
Bad Luck Fale – 2
Kota Ibushi – 2
SANADA – 2
Will Ospreay – 2
Hiroshi Tanahashi – 2
Zack Sabre Jr. – 0

B Block
Tomohiro Ishii – 4
Jon Moxley – 4
Juice Robinson – 4
Hirooki Goto – 2
Shingo Takagi – 2
Taichi – 2
Toru Yano – 2
Jeff Cobb – 0
Tetsuya Naito – 0
Jay White – 0

Sabre and White don't really need the rub of the G-1 as they seem to be over pretty well without much help.

**XPac** · 07-18-2019, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1

Well more or less Vince didn't want Austin to be the main star of the company (the title was part of that). But they slowly built the program to where both men were destined to clash. This seems like suddenly Owens felt this way , with no real build. No frustration at what is going on and him suddenly dropping "pipe bombs" etc.

If its a homage its a rush job in a sense. I said it years ago as Owens was a hot heel at the time he should have been pushed as this anti-hero role and feuded and beat every McMahon. After he did this ...they should have had him run through each one. (with HHH at Wrestlemania that year of 2018)

Given their history (Shane and KO had freaking Hell in the Cell against each other back in the day) it doesn't take MUCH build to justify him going off on Shane. Unlike Vince and Austin at the start, they're not starting from scratch here.

**master of read** · 07-18-2019, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by BeastieRunner

I hadn't finished tonight (today?) yet when I posted. UPDATED!

G1 Climax 29 Standings

A Block
KENTA – 6
Kazuchika Okada – 6
Lance Archer – 4
EVIL – 4
Bad Luck Fale – 2
Kota Ibushi – 2
SANADA – 2
Will Ospreay – 2
Hiroshi Tanahashi – 2
Zack Sabre Jr. – 0

B Block
Tomohiro Ishii – 4
Jon Moxley – 4
Juice Robinson – 4
Hirooki Goto – 2
Shingo Takagi – 2
Taichi – 2
Toru Yano – 2
Jeff Cobb – 0
Tetsuya Naito – 0
Jay White – 0

Sabre and White don't really need the rub of the G-1 as they seem to be over pretty well without much help.

he's still my boy.

**steve2275** · 07-18-2019, 06:39 PM

thanks beastie
but please no night 7 results (SAT. JULY. 20. 2019)axs tv

Originally Posted by steve2275

**Punisher007** · 07-19-2019, 04:08 AM

spoilers:

Shingo just beat Taichi, so he has 4 points now.

end of spoilers

**BigLbo** · 07-19-2019, 06:46 AM

WWE wil try and recreate austin vs mackman until the end of time. it's pretty much all they know these days. and they still fuk that up.

Originally Posted by master of read

he was pretty creepy as sam shaw back in the day but as dexter lumis? dude turned it up to 12. as for in-ring work, he's improved. pulls off a few ricochet spots well and has some nice power moves thrown in. honestly? better than he was in TNA.

good to hear i'll have to check him out soon. pretty good artist too.

**BeastieRunner** · 07-19-2019, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by steve2275

Originally Posted by Punisher007

spoilers:

Shingo just beat Taichi, so he has 4 points now.

end of spoilers

I probably won't update till Monday/Tuesday.

**Punisher007** · 07-19-2019, 10:04 AM

Watch the Moxley vs. Ishii match, it was freaking awesome.

**steve2275** · 07-19-2019, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Punisher007

Watch the Moxley vs. Ishii match, it was freaking awesome.

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