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[XPac]

Braun is super-over. It's time to pull the trigger and give him the belt already.

Hopefully there's more to the Heyman/Brock stuff because otherwise, what a gigantic waste of time/potential it all was.

Dean looking jacked, impressive.

Ronda also really needs to win at SS as well.

I think KO wins the mitb and they save Braun for Wrestlemania.

What Braun is doing right now is working beautifully, but the way he's booked protects him. If he starts main eventing ppvs and cutting 15 minute promos at the start of raw, his short comings will be exposed and smart fans will probably turn on him the way they did Cena and Roman. Braun IMO needs as much time as possible to actually improve. He is over, but he's potentially 2-3 bad main event matches from fans turning around and saying the only reason he has the belt is because of Vince's big man fetish.

[Punisher007]

The problem is, the effect is wearing off. He's been stuck in this revolving door booking-wise. They try to protect him (which is starting to annoy some people as it makes other talented performers look bad in the process), but there's no payoff because it doesn't feel like it's going anywhere, he's stuck doing random crap on the midcard. It's not a great position and no one benefits from it. And teasing like you're FINALLY going to do something of note with him only to then go "psych" is going to annoy people even more. Also no disrespect to KO, but they haven't exactly booked him to look like a credible champion recently, so it's the wrong time with him to

And as for "his shortcomings will be exposed" most people already know what those are anyway. He is what he is, he's never going to be a God-tier worker nor is he going to be a Rock or Hogan-level promo. People know this, and they like him anyway. So it's no excuse to not even TRY to give him a run as champion. Heck their current champion isn't a great prom either and rarely works long matches.

Also if WWE had any actual creativity to their writing, they be able to work around his flaws and emphasize his strengths instead of trying to pigeon-hole everyone into the same generic roles as champion. But that would imply actual competence on their part, which they lack most of the time these days.

[titanfan]

They ruined Ryback the same way.

[XPac]

The problem is, the effect is wearing off. He's been stuck in this revolving door booking-wise. They try to protect him (which is starting to annoy some people as it makes other talented performers look bad in the process), but there's no payoff because it doesn't feel like it's going anywhere, he's stuck doing random crap on the midcard. It's not a great position and no one benefits from it. And teasing like you're FINALLY going to do something of note with him only to then go "psych" is going to annoy people even more. Also no disrespect to KO, but they haven't exactly booked him to look like a credible champion recently, so it's the wrong time with him to

And as for "his shortcomings will be exposed" most people already know what those are anyway. He is what he is, he's never going to be a God-tier worker nor is he going to be a Rock or Hogan-level promo. People know this, and they like him anyway. So it's no excuse to not even TRY to give him a run as champion. Heck their current champion isn't a great prom either and rarely works long matches.

Also if WWE had any actual creativity to their writing, they be able to work around his flaws and emphasize his strengths instead of trying to pigeon-hole everyone into the same generic roles as champion. But that would imply actual competence on their part, which they lack most of the time these days.

I think there should be a pay off, but that pay off can be winning the Rumble and going on to win the belt at Wrestlemania.

A mitb cash in is sort if a weak title victory for a supposed dominant face champion. It's a better heel gimmick.

As far as his short comings ... sure people know it. Just like they knew Roman and Cena weren't great workers (though they improved) and that didn't stop thrm from turning on them either.

Again it's working now because wwe is using every gimmick in the book to protect him. Once he's champ, he's going to actually have to carry the company based on what he can do it the ring. And if he doesn't improve, fans IMO will start getting bored with him. Booking can only protect you so far ... inevitably to have to actually get it done in the ring if you're the champ. It's transitioning from a special attraction to the person carrying the brand.

Again, not saying don't try to give him the top spot. But take your time and make sure he's ready as possible.

And KO is 20 times the sports entertainer that Braun could ever hope to be.

[XPac]

They ruined Ryback the same way.

Yeah, but Ryback pretty much sucked so ruining him was probably for the best.

I'm not Roman's biggest fan or anything but I'll take Reigns over Ryback any day of the week.

[XPac]

They ruined Ryback the same way.

Yeah, but Ryback pretty much sucked so ruining him was probably for the best.

I'm not Roman's biggest fan or anything but I'll take Reigns over Ryback any day of the week.

[Baseman]

I think there should be a pay off, but that pay off can be winning the Rumble and going on to win the belt at Wrestlemania.

The problem is what do you do in the mean time.A performer can only stay in midcard hell for so long before viewers lose interest RR is a long way away.

[XPac]

The problem is what do you do in the mean time.A performer can only stay in midcard hell for so long before viewers lose interest RR is a long way away.

The Raw brand practically went the entire year without anyone competing for the world title, so my answer to that question is basically that Braun can do what he and Roman any everyone else has done this whole time.

If Braun can only be interesting in the world title scene, then he arguably shouldn't be in the world title scene to begin with. Deliver good promos and deliver good matches, and you should be able to stay over with or without the title. If you're good at your craft, the belt should just be an accessory to your outfit. You should make the belt, not the other way around.

[Immortal Weapon]

I think there should be a pay off, but that pay off can be winning the Rumble and going on to win the belt at Wrestlemania.

A mitb cash in is sort if a weak title victory for a supposed dominant face champion. It's a better heel gimmick.

As far as his short comings ... sure people know it. Just like they knew Roman and Cena weren't great workers (though they improved) and that didn't stop thrm from turning on them either.

Again it's working now because wwe is using every gimmick in the book to protect him. Once he's champ, he's going to actually have to carry the company based on what he can do it the ring. And if he doesn't improve, fans IMO will start getting bored with him. Booking can only protect you so far ... inevitably to have to actually get it done in the ring if you're the champ. It's transitioning from a special attraction to the person carrying the brand.

Again, not saying don't try to give him the top spot. But take your time and make sure he's ready as possible.

And KO is 20 times the sports entertainer that Braun could ever hope to be.

Braun is ready now! Waiting for a Rumble or WrestleMania is boneheaded as you risk your audience not giving a crap. That's what currently fucked over Reigns in his Lesnar feud. Braun already won a Rumble, he got the MitB, he's the most over guy in the roster. There's no reason for him not be given the belt on some b PPV if you need Lesnar to drop the belt.

[titanfan]

A mitb cash in is sort if a weak title victory for a supposed dominant face champion. It's a better heel gimmick.

Yeah a sneak attack cash in doesn't make any sense.

It would be much more satisfying if he disposes of Kevin Owens and the Inserts himself into the Reigns-Lesnar fight in the same night and beats them both.

[XPac]

Braun is ready now! Waiting for a Rumble or WrestleMania is boneheaded as you risk your audience not giving a crap. That's what currently fucked over Reigns in his Lesnar feud. Braun already won a Rumble, he got the MitB, he's the most over guy in the roster. There's no reason for him not be given the belt on some b PPV if you need Lesnar to drop the belt.

If the audience won't give a crap over Braun in in 6 months, then he probably shouldn't be champion on the first place.

[XPac]

Braun is ready now! Waiting for a Rumble or WrestleMania is boneheaded as you risk your audience not giving a crap. That's what currently fucked over Reigns in his Lesnar feud. Braun already won a Rumble, he got the MitB, he's the most over guy in the roster. There's no reason for him not be given the belt on some b PPV if you need Lesnar to drop the belt.

If the audience won't give a crap over Braun in in 6 months, then he probably shouldn't be champion on the first place.

[Immortal Weapon]

If the audience won't give a crap over Braun in in 6 months, then he probably shouldn't be champion on the first place.

That's not on Braun. You expect the company to spin their wheels with the guy and keep audience engagement. Braun doesn't need his payoff on a major show. Having it on a No Mercy, Hell in the Cell or even a Raw is perfectly fine.

[Immortal Weapon]

If the audience won't give a crap over Braun in in 6 months, then he probably shouldn't be champion on the first place.

That's not on Braun. You expect the company to spin their wheels with the guy and keep audience engagement. Braun doesn't need his payoff on a major show. Having it on a No Mercy, Hell in the Cell or even a Raw is perfectly fine.

[XPac]

That's not on Braun. You expect the company to spin their wheels with the guy and keep audience engagement. Braun doesn't need his payoff on a major show. Having it on a No Mercy, Hell in the Cell or even a Raw is perfectly fine.

Sure it's on Braun. Plenty of wrestlers can stay over and stay over without the world title. Cut good promos and deliver good matches that fans are emotionally invested in, and you can be over with or without the belt.

Putting a belt around Miz or Daniel Bryan or KO or John Cena somehow makes them good sports entertainers? No, they're just good, title or no title.