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[steve2275]

yea styles Anderson gallows shoulda been In 1 group

the new beginning in Osaka 2019
ryusuke taguchi challenges Taiji ishimori (who I feel has 1of the best overall bodys in wrestling) for the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IWGP_J...t_Championship
kota ibushi gives a good status update
accompanied by chase owens and Yujiro Takahashi bad luck fale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_Club) vs kazuckika okada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_...nal_wrestling) I wish wwe had groups like these these days

and now the season finale of wow women of wrestling on axs tv
match 1 tag team action
http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/princess-aussie and http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/aztecavs
http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/siren and http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/holidead
feature on http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/samantha-smart
match 2
accompanied by http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/samantha-smart http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/disciplinarian vs http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/stephy-slays
match 3 with her the “ring rats” http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/khloe-hurtz vs http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/kobra-moon billed from lucha underground
feature on http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/tessa-blanchard
its main event time
http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/jessicka-havok vs http://www.wowe.com/superheroes/tessa-blanchard and her championship
the final 40 seconds excited me more than fast lane

[master of read]

Upset but glad at the same time. Vince has no desire to restructure the Tag Division or pair them up with Balor or even Styles to form a powerful faction. Other than The Authority and The Shield, Vince doesn't seem to know how to book factions anymore. Even those two are debatable in recent bookings.

It's interesting to see who decides to stay, knowing what will happen, to those who decide not to stay, and take their chances elsewhere. AEW has already changed the environment of professional wrestling in regards to options for the talent.

It'll be interesting to see what Styles' decision will be in the future as well. He's already had a WWE Hall of Fame worthy career.

AJ has said in a few interviews that he's gonna wrap up his career as a whole after his run with the E is over. he wants to go out in his prime sooner than later.

but yeah. they missed a golden opportunity by having aj, finn and the good bros run together as the bullet club. they could've been a force on par with the shield.

and i can see a lot of peeps leaving right now. mainly the revival since even though they are the tag champ, they are still being treated like utter jokes, which is terrible.

[Miles To Go]

Gallows and Anderson have turned down multi-million dollar deals to stay with WWE and intend to leave when their contracts expire

https://www.pwinsider.com/article/12...t-wwe.html?p=1

[master of read]

Gallows and Anderson have turned down multi-million dollar deals to stay with WWE and intend to leave when their contracts expire

https://www.pwinsider.com/article/12...t-wwe.html?p=1

we were just talking about that.

[Miles To Go]

we were just talking about that.

Whoops

Note to self: don't speed read

[sirmarkus]

Gallows and Anderson have turned down multi-million dollar deals to stay with WWE and intend to leave when their contracts expire

https://www.pwinsider.com/article/12...t-wwe.html?p=1

I don't blame them. They've been so poorly utilized it's not even funny. They'll resurface in AEW or NJPW.

[master of read]

Whoops

Note to self: don't speed read

it's cool. we were just talking about how much the E cocked them up and how they missed a chance to have aj and finn join them for the BC in the E.

[BigLbo]

If you look at the Fastlane PPV, not counting the pre-show the ONLY matches which aren't for a title are Becky/Charlotte and the SHIELD reunion. Anything other than a title match is a TOP angle, so yes at this point having a title has value. Having a title increases the chances of a wrestler getting on a PPV if they aren't an established main eventer... it doesnt' gurantee it, but it makes it far more likely.

that isn’t the same thing. it’s like having a piece of shit car that barely runs. yes there is value in that you don’t have to walk to the store in the rain, but still nobody is going to buy that piece of junk. it’s really just a problem created by the brand split.

And IF they can generate interest in the match, then they increase the value both in themselves and the belts and the division. Again, look at the 6 competitors in that match... all of them are very very good in-ring workers. They have the potential to steal the show, which isn't an easy task with a Rey/Almas and a Becky/Charlotte match on the card. Black and Ricochet are both already over... if they can pull out a show stealing match with the Revival and Roode/Gable, all of them and the tag belts can get a bump. There is a BIG opportunity here IF they can get it done in the ring.

that’s just not how it works, it takes more than a match. it takes consistency, long term planning, and effort. the division has none of that going for it hence why ricochet & aleistir entering the division makes them seem small time rather than the division seeming big time.

Eh, Gallows and Anderson have long since worn out their welcome. Karl still has some gas left in the tank, but Gallows' knees are absolutely washed and have been for a while now.

i never thought gallows was very good, anderson & bernard were a much better team imo.

AJ has said in a few interviews that he's gonna wrap up his career as a whole after his run with the E is over. he wants to go out in his prime sooner than later.

but yeah. they missed a golden opportunity by having aj, finn and the good bros run together as the bullet club. they could've been a force on par with the shield.

and i can see a lot of peeps leaving right now. mainly the revival since even though they are the tag champ, they are still being treated like utter jokes, which is terrible.

hey man, they’re on PAY PER VIEW, FASTLANE BAYBAY!!

[Miles To Go]

it's cool. we were just talking about how much the E cocked them up and how they missed a chance to have aj and finn join them for the BC in the E.

I can kind of see why they didn't, Vince is often hesitant about putting emphasis on creations not his own. Styles is an exception, not the rule.

A WWE spin on them might have been critiqued anyway, like with the NWO

[steve2275]

sure didn't take JD long to shit over roman again

[XPac]

that isn’t the same thing. it’s like having a piece of shit car that barely runs. yes there is value in that you don’t have to walk to the store in the rain, but still nobody is going to buy that piece of junk. it’s really just a problem created by the brand split.



that’s just not how it works, it takes more than a match. it takes consistency, long term planning, and effort. the division has none of that going for it hence why ricochet & aleistir entering the division makes them seem small time rather than the division seeming big time.



i never thought gallows was very good, anderson & bernard were a much better team imo.



hey man, they’re on PAY PER VIEW, FASTLANE BAYBAY!!

Again, its getting them on Raw, Smackdown, and a ppv. That's value especially at this point. If they weren't in the tag match at best they would be in the pre-show if not entirely off the card. Heck if not for Black and Ricochet the tag match could very well have ended up on the pre-show, so I think they are alreadyboosting the division.

And that likely applies to WM. Being in the tag scene potentially means an actual match. Without it likely means being in a pre-show battle royal at best.

Look at the nxt call ups like ec3 who weren't thrust into the tag scene. Thats the difference. Again, if you arent in the title scene or a top angle you're left out in the cold.

Frankly if they even generate enough interest in the tag division to get belts off the preshow, then that

[BigLbo]

Again, its getting them on Raw, Smackdown, and a ppv. That's value especially at this point. If they weren't in the tag match at best they would be in the pre-show if not entirely off the card. Heck if not for Black and Ricochet the tag match could very well have ended up on the pre-show, so I think they are alreadyboosting the division.

it's really not, it's filler.

And that likely applies to WM. Being in the tag scene potentially means an actual match. Without it likely means being in a pre-show battle royal at best.

Look at the nxt call ups like ec3 who weren't thrust into the tag scene. Thats the difference. Again, if you arent in the title scene or a top angle you're left out in the cold.

Frankly if they even generate enough interest in the tag division to get belts off the preshow, then that

just because they aren't out in the cold doesn't mean they're being presented as a big deal or as stars. my point was never that they aren't going to be on TV or a ppv. the tag champs for months might've been on PPV every month, but they're still not seen as stars because the division is booked like shit. why you don't understand that i don't know.

[XPac]

it's really not, it's filler.



just because they aren't out in the cold doesn't mean they're being presented as a big deal or as stars. my point was never that they aren't going to be on TV or a ppv. the tag champs for months might've been on PPV every month, but they're still not seen as stars because the division is booked like shit. why you don't understand that i don't know.

If getting filler allows them to get on RAW, Smackdown, nxt and PPV's then the filler has value. They're getting lots of airtime (more than anyone else on the roster quite frankly) and putting out very good matches. And they seem over with the crowd. All in all, I'd say there's not a whole lot to complain about at this point.

And I don't think they'd be given that level of treatment if they weren't trying to be potrayed as up and coming stars. You're not going to put curtain jerkers on RAW, Smackdown, nxt AND a PPV all at the same time. Becky Lynch is the only person getting that close to that level of exposure, and she's arguably the hottest wrestler in the industry at the moment. They are investing valuable airtime on these characters. And there's a reason for that.

[BigLbo]

If getting filler allows them to get on RAW, Smackdown, nxt and PPV's then the filler has value. They're getting lots of airtime (more than anyone else on the roster quite frankly) and putting out very good matches. And they seem over with the crowd. All in all, I'd say there's not a whole lot to complain about at this point.

nope. you're confusing just being on TV and PPV with being presented as a big deal or star. not sure if you've noticed but RAW, SD and the PPV are full of people who aren't big deals or stars. they're over with the crowd because the crowd already knows them not because of the way they've been presented since debuting.

And I don't think they'd be given that level of treatment if they weren't trying to be potrayed as up and coming stars. You're not going to put curtain jerkers on RAW, Smackdown, nxt AND a PPV all at the same time. Becky Lynch is the only person getting that close to that level of exposure, and she's arguably the hottest wrestler in the industry at the moment. They are investing valuable airtime on these characters. And there's a reason for that.

you just said it yourself right there. key words being "trying to be" and "up and coming". not the same as successfully being portrayed as (current)stars.

either 1 of those guys could've called out cena for mania and the fans would be hyped for it by april.

[XPac]

nope. you're confusing just being on TV and PPV with being presented as a big deal or star. not sure if you've noticed but RAW, SD and the PPV are full of people who aren't big deals or stars. they're over with the crowd because the crowd already knows them not because of the way they've been presented since debuting.



you just said it yourself right there. key words being "trying to be" and "up and coming". not the same as successfully being portrayed as (current)stars.

either 1 of those guys could've called out cena for mania and the fans would be hyped for it by april.

Sure RAW, Smackdown, and PPVs are full of people who aren't big stars. But again, how many are on ALL those at once? THat's the big difference here. Again, they wouldn't be put in that position if they weren't being positioned to be stars.

Whether or not they are accepted as stars is ultimately up to the audience, but the fact that Vince is putting them on every scrap of television he has is a pretty good indication he WANTS them to accepted as such.

Again, if they're over and they're getting a lot of air time and they're putting out very good matches then what's really to complain about here? That's a lot, considering this is like their third week or so on the main roster.