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[Gryphon]

Colt Cabana is suing CM Punk

http://wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2018...ainst-cm-punk/

[Gryphon]

Colt Cabana is suing CM Punk

http://wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2018...ainst-cm-punk/

[XPac]

I would love to see a heel Renee Young, especially if Dean turns as well.

Unless they plan of keeping Graves on just one show, I don't think they need 2 heel announcers.

But still, I'm curious to see her chemistry with the other announcers.

[XPac]

Colt Cabana is suing CM Punk

http://wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2018...ainst-cm-punk/

Not cool if it's true. Punk doesn't seem to want to be buddies with any of his former wrestling buddies.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Most ROHbots aren't going to follow the Elite to a company they've openly reviled for years.

Is this the same way RVD fans from ECW didn't follow him to WWF back in 2001 or CM Punk fans didn't follow him to WWE ? A good many will follow to watch those guys.

The card literally looks like an ROH show with a some extras thrown in. And then there's Honor Club airing the show and Sinclair-owned WGN airing the pre-show. I don't doubt Cody and the Bucks put in a lot of the work, but thinking ROH hasn't had any input is incredibly naive.

Sinclair maybe airing the pre-show but as of right now there is no company listed as promoting All In. Its just called All In and with no real company behind it. Just the 4 guys who sold tickets to it and filled a 10,000+ seat arena. Which in this day and age when its not WWE is pretty wild.

They wouldn't have either one. Maybe in NXT, but an invasion by the Elite on the main roster would just be laughable.

To you possibly because you'd be unable to wrap your head around that. But of course we saw 3 guys hold off a roster and beat up guys from developmental for months comically.

Invasion angles are terrible 90% of the time.

And whose fault is that ? Its Vince's fault because he can't book an invasion angle worth a ****.

The announcers flat out said the Shield were from devrlopmemtal, so it was no secret. Heck, I think they ended up being revealed as Triples h's henchmen before their face turn.

That was months in from their debut. Hell they helped CM Punk that 1st night. But in the end for months they literally would come from the stands and beat up the roster.

Plus, unlike the Shield it's questionable whether the Elite are stars of the future. Because thru have already proven they can earn a good living in the indys, they might not even stick around in the wwe long. The gamble is Vince might throw the wwe locker room under the bus to make them look good, only for them to leave and go back to the indys.

Hell Vince may not have AJ Styles or Samoa Joe for long as rumors are AJ is gonna leave once his deal is up since he wants to do Japan again. In the end Vince may not have the current guys for long term. He could get Omega , Rhodes and Bucks for a few years and do some things to make money and they leave. Or Omega or Rhodes stay longer. No one really knows.

Vince MIGHT pay Omega a truck load of money to stay if he REALLY gets over, but that probably won't happen for the bucks. Tag teams are rarely if ever top draws.

As of right now its not like the WWE has a ton of tag teams . The Bar possibly but they could use the Bucks for what is needed awhile.

[XPac]

Is this the same way RVD fans from ECW didn't follow him to WWF back in 2001 or CM Punk fans didn't follow him to WWE ? A good many will follow to watch those guys.



Sinclair maybe airing the pre-show but as of right now there is no company listed as promoting All In. Its just called All In and with no real company behind it. Just the 4 guys who sold tickets to it and filled a 10,000+ seat arena. Which in this day and age when its not WWE is pretty wild.



To you possibly because you'd be unable to wrap your head around that. But of course we saw 3 guys hold off a roster and beat up guys from developmental for months comically.


And whose fault is that ? Its Vince's fault because he can't book an invasion angle worth a ****.



That was months in from their debut. Hell they helped CM Punk that 1st night. But in the end for months they literally would come from the stands and beat up the roster.



Hell Vince may not have AJ Styles or Samoa Joe for long as rumors are AJ is gonna leave once his deal is up since he wants to do Japan again. In the end Vince may not have the current guys for long term. He could get Omega , Rhodes and Bucks for a few years and do some things to make money and they leave. Or Omega or Rhodes stay longer. No one really knows.



As of right now its not like the WWE has a ton of tag teams . The Bar possibly but they could use the Bucks for what is needed awhile.

That's what NXT is for. If/when AJ and Roode leave, you've got Black and the Undisputed Era and EC3. He doesn't actually need the Elite. Not that they aren't potential assets, but Vince already has a pretty darn impressive talent pool on NXT even without them.

And the thing is the Elite dont necessarily need the wwe either. So there's no reason for Vince to throw his entire roster under the bus to make them look better than the wee, or for the Elite to stick around in the wwe and deal with their gruelling schedule any longer than they have to.

[XPac]

Is this the same way RVD fans from ECW didn't follow him to WWF back in 2001 or CM Punk fans didn't follow him to WWE ? A good many will follow to watch those guys.



Sinclair maybe airing the pre-show but as of right now there is no company listed as promoting All In. Its just called All In and with no real company behind it. Just the 4 guys who sold tickets to it and filled a 10,000+ seat arena. Which in this day and age when its not WWE is pretty wild.



To you possibly because you'd be unable to wrap your head around that. But of course we saw 3 guys hold off a roster and beat up guys from developmental for months comically.


And whose fault is that ? Its Vince's fault because he can't book an invasion angle worth a ****.



That was months in from their debut. Hell they helped CM Punk that 1st night. But in the end for months they literally would come from the stands and beat up the roster.



Hell Vince may not have AJ Styles or Samoa Joe for long as rumors are AJ is gonna leave once his deal is up since he wants to do Japan again. In the end Vince may not have the current guys for long term. He could get Omega , Rhodes and Bucks for a few years and do some things to make money and they leave. Or Omega or Rhodes stay longer. No one really knows.



As of right now its not like the WWE has a ton of tag teams . The Bar possibly but they could use the Bucks for what is needed awhile.

That's what NXT is for. If/when AJ and Roode leave, you've got Black and the Undisputed Era and EC3. He doesn't actually need the Elite. Not that they aren't potential assets, but Vince already has a pretty darn impressive talent pool on NXT even without them.

And the thing is the Elite dont necessarily need the wwe either. So there's no reason for Vince to throw his entire roster under the bus to make them look better than the wee, or for the Elite to stick around in the wwe and deal with their gruelling schedule any longer than they have to.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

That's what NXT is for. If/when AJ and Roode leave, you've got Black and the Undisputed Era and EC3. He doesn't actually need the Elite. Not that they aren't potential assets, but Vince already has a pretty darn impressive talent pool on NXT even without them.

And the thing is the Elite dont necessarily need the wwe either. So there's no reason for Vince to throw his entire roster under the bus to make them look better than the wee, or for the Elite to stick around in the wwe and deal with their gruelling schedule any longer than they have to.

It takes time to elevate talent up and get them on main roster as were seeing. They will keep guys in NXT awhile , then bring them up. And the whole 'your throwing the whole rosters under the bus" is so hyperbolic its nonsense. That keeps being said and its silly . When the Shield was decimating guys was the whole roster suddenly thrown under the bus ? No , they realized that there was a couple guys or the "key" star left to put an end to the angle.

The same deal happens here. You keep that one guy or guys protected well to finish the angle off. You make the losses not so clean and once you set an end of angle up you finish it.

As far as schedule goes , they just signed a guy to barely show up (Lesnar) for a couple years. They can work around the schedules for these guys and make it worthwhile for them. Not exactly doing a Lesnar schedule , but one where the guys aren't working a hard WWE schedule. They can do this. But as posted before ...Vince has been **** for invasion angles.

[Immortal Weapon]

AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Shinsuke are higher profile signings and they are working full schedules. Omega and the Bucks don't have enough clout to work limited dates.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Shinsuke are higher profile signings and they are working full schedules. Omega and the Bucks don't have enough clout to work limited dates.

Back in June the WWE started to sense they were pushing AJ Styles too hard in too many matches and basically it was claimed he was pulled from Live events for a month then.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/wwe-...nts-this-month


Now the big rumors are all 3 could be leaving back for Japan once their WWE deals wrap. I'm sure all 3 will be approached to do a lighter schedule since again all 3 are big on TV right now. The fact that they can't do better schedules is kinda false. They have the huge talent base to draw from and can do this for live house shows.

[master of read]

we lost another one. and if you are a fan of brian zayn, this one hits close to home.

[Gryphon]

Not cool if it's true. Punk doesn't seem to want to be buddies with any of his former wrestling buddies.

Punk has a tendency to burn his bridges

[XPac]

It takes time to elevate talent up and get them on main roster as were seeing. They will keep guys in NXT awhile , then bring them up. And the whole 'your throwing the whole rosters under the bus" is so hyperbolic its nonsense. That keeps being said and its silly . When the Shield was decimating guys was the whole roster suddenly thrown under the bus ? No , they realized that there was a couple guys or the "key" star left to put an end to the angle.

The same deal happens here. You keep that one guy or guys protected well to finish the angle off. You make the losses not so clean and once you set an end of angle up you finish it.

As far as schedule goes , they just signed a guy to barely show up (Lesnar) for a couple years. They can work around the schedules for these guys and make it worthwhile for them. Not exactly doing a Lesnar schedule , but one where the guys aren't working a hard WWE schedule. They can do this. But as posted before ...Vince has been **** for invasion angles.

You can argue it takes less time to elevate a guy in NXT than guys they are getting fresh from New Japan like Omega and the Bucks. You can already see Black and the Undisputed Era on the WWE network. But with Omega and the Bucks, you're starting from scratch.

Also because the WWE has a fairly young crop of main eventers they have time to develop the NXT guys. Rollin, Braun, and Reigns aren't going anywhere anytime soon, injuries aside. They're roughly the same age as Omega and the Young Bucks.

And the SHIELD decimating people isn't throwing the WWE under the bus because they are part of the WWE. It's just one WWE faction doing very well. It's not invaders from another company proving their company proving their talent is superior. Again, that was the problem with the nWo… it was essentially sending the message that WWE > WCW. Unlike SHIELD Or DX or whatever, the nWo were pretending they were not a part of WCW... which ultimately makes WCW come off looking weak.

If the Elite are used similar to the SHIELD, it's a non issue because the SHIELD were a part of the WWE so the WWE doesn't look weak or threatened regardless of how domiant they are. It's not saying that another companys performers are better than WWE performers, but rather that these new guys in the WWE are very dominant. The Undisputed Era in NXT is an example of that. THey are holding most of the gold, but it doesn't make NXT look weak in the process because they are NXT.

And just because they give Brock Lesnar a super light schedule doesn't mean they will do that to Omega and the Young Bucks. WWE gets a lot of credibility and main stream attention from Lesnar that the Elite could never hope to achieve. If the Elite want or expect Brock Lesnar treatment, they need to stay where they are because New Japan needs them a hell of a lot more than Vince.

[XPac]

Back in June the WWE started to sense they were pushing AJ Styles too hard in too many matches and basically it was claimed he was pulled from Live events for a month then.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/wwe-...nts-this-month


Now the big rumors are all 3 could be leaving back for Japan once their WWE deals wrap. I'm sure all 3 will be approached to do a lighter schedule since again all 3 are big on TV right now. The fact that they can't do better schedules is kinda false. They have the huge talent base to draw from and can do this for live house shows.

Given that AJ carried the Smackdown brand on the full time schedule, he arguably deserves special treatment. If Omega can earn that in the WWE, then fine. But he hasn't, not yet.

Plus, let's be honest... AJ is no spring chicken. He might actually NEED to slow down and take a lighter schedule. That likely can't be said for the Elite.

[Kal-El Summers]

Is this the same way RVD fans from ECW didn't follow him to WWF back in 2001 or CM Punk fans didn't follow him to WWE ? A good many will follow to watch those guys.

Most ECW mutants didn't follow RVD to the WWE. And the Punk fans back then weren't as openly toxic as the Elite fans are now.

Sinclair maybe airing the pre-show but as of right now there is no company listed as promoting All In. Its just called All In and with no real company behind it. Just the 4 guys who sold tickets to it and filled a 10,000+ seat arena. Which in this day and age when its not WWE is pretty wild.

I never said ROH was behind it.

To you possibly because you'd be unable to wrap your head around that. But of course we saw 3 guys hold off a roster and beat up guys from developmental for months comically.

The Shield never "held off a roster." Attacked specific people for Punk/Heyman and HHH, yes, but they took their fair share of Ls and lost when the odds weren't in their favor.

And whose fault is that ? Its Vince's fault because he can't book an invasion angle worth a ****.

No, invasion angles in general suck, it's not limited to the WWE and Vince. There's only been like 2 or 3 that were successful and the last one that was successful pretty much directly lead to the death of the other major American pro wrestling promotion.


Just saw that the crowd at the MYC gave Mia Yim the Cedric Alexander treatment and Meiko Satomura got a standing ovation after an apparently great match. Can't wait for it to start airing on the Network.