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    The issue is that Cornette liked a squash match main event where Kofi, one of the most over wrestlers, was squashed by Lesnar, whom many fans are tired of.


    Hell, he said this week that KUSHIDA vs WALTER went on too long and that KUSHIDA should be treated solely as a midcarder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gryphon View Post
    The issue is that Cornette liked a squash match main event where Kofi, one of the most over wrestlers, was squashed by Lesnar, whom many fans are tired of.


    Hell, he said this week that KUSHIDA vs WALTER went on too long and that KUSHIDA should be treated solely as a midcarder
    Cornette doesn't follow the product. It won't matter to him how over Kofi is because he's essentially a new viewer. In his mind, a guy like Lesnar should squash Kofi.

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    Cornette's ideas of what works in wrestling are about as relevant as Vince Russo's at this point. They're not worth addressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjowski View Post
    Cornette's ideas of what works in wrestling are about as relevant as Vince Russo's at this point. They're not worth addressing.
    He can be right sometimes. His ideas are what he thinks will appeal to mainstream audiences. He doesn't seem to realize even that has changed. He can condemn video game shit all he wants but it is mainstream now. Smaller guys have been a bigger draw for ages now and not just in wrestling but other combat sports. Lightweight divisions always been bigger draws in MMA and boxing. Shittng on Leo and Gulak for being cruisers and being given time is idiotic.

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    Glad Bayley got the title back. Guess she'll be needing some new music or maybe not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    I'm sure Orange Cassiday has a certain fan base, otherwise he wouldn't be where he's at.

    That said, I'm not entirely convinced his act sucessfully appeals to the mainstream wrestling audience. To me that's up there with invisible fireballs projectiles. Or maybe it does and I just don't appreciate the joke as much as others do ... I guess we'll see.

    I never thought Rusev Day would get over, and it did. So who knows.
    fortunately for him you don't need to be, he just needs to be over with the AEW audience and he is. imo he'll only get more over as he shows more of his actual wrestling ability/athleticism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Weapon View Post
    He can be right sometimes. His ideas are what he thinks will appeal to mainstream audiences. He doesn't seem to realize even that has changed. He can condemn video game shit all he wants but it is mainstream now. Smaller guys have been a bigger draw for ages now and not just in wrestling but other combat sports. Lightweight divisions always been bigger draws in MMA and boxing. Shittng on Leo and Gulak for being cruisers and being given time is idiotic.
    so can a broken watch(that was intentionally corny).

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    To me its about age range of the guys in the back in creative. When Cornette hit big his era was the 1970's/1980's. His era is the classic territory system type booking and building to big shows and angles. Its how things worked for years until the Monday Night Wars finally put the death nail into the territory system for good. I mean Cornette tried with Smokey Mountain a few years but that era had ended.

    The following guys tried to repeat things from eras and failed after success...


    - George Scott : Considered a genius booker in creative in the 1970's ; Scott once left Crockett in 1981 and was fetching offers all over the United States to book. One offer from Eddie Einhorn (Chicago White Sox minority owner) for a yearly salary of $250,000 to run his IWA promotion. Scott turned a lot down and would eventually take a role in WWF's expansion due to his friendship with Vince McMahon Sr.

    Its when Scott returned to WCW in 1989 by Turner to run things his golden touch was over. As Cornette claimed he'd sign guys like Iron Sheik who were years past their prime and didn't book well. He finally didn't sell a Clash of Champions card and Turner let him go months in.



    Bill Watts : The Cowboy was considered a revolutionary genius for his UWF. In fact the episodic TV of pro wrestling we see today is owed to Watts. His UWF created a number of stars like Junkyard Dog , Butch Reed , Ted Dibiase , Dr. Death Steve Williams and others. Sadly for what ruined Watts UWF was an oil crisis in mid-America destroyed the economy where the promotion ran and Watts had to sell.

    Turner executives thought Bill Watts would be a great signing. Even Jim Ross was happy to see the Cowboy return and felt he could right the course of the promotion. But within a short time Watts would piss a lot of the younger stars off , remove the mats around the ring to make guys look tough , banned moves off the top rope which killed the Cruiserweight division that was getting praise for Liger/Pillman matches and creating hell backstage. Also his big plan was to recreate the UWF type angles by having Ron Simmons become WCW World Champion.



    Vince Russo : Sometimes its the right time , place and age era of what is going on. Vince Russo was 35 when he got the job as head of creative on RAW. Russo was soon the sole writer with Ed Ferrera. Vince McMahon was his editor as we know. But Russo hit at the right time age wise as the material he used from that era and ECW Blueprint made the Attitude era hum. As Russo claims him and Ferrera would have a chalkboard listed of the whole night laid out creatively for every quarter hour of RAW. Vince McMahon would walk in and the goal they felt was to have a Monday Night where McMahon would want no changes. (The most he ever got him down to was 1 or 2...but that was the strong editor as we saw)

    In WCW , Russo never had that and soon failed. There was no one there to tell Russo to make changes ala McMahon and we soon saw what happens if Russo has no editor. TNA would make sure to not make this mistake with Russo and had Jarrett and Mantell as the editors over him.


    Eric Bischoff : In WCW , Bischoff was considered a genius with his Monday Night Nitro and creating the 90's wrestling boom period. Bischoff used a Japan angle and learned from Verne Gagne to give McMahon hell for 83 weeks. Raiding talent , giving results away , changing the show on the fly as he'd do backstage. Bischoff was really good at what he did in charge.

    Its just that this same act didn't work in TNA. Signing talent who were old 90's stars like Val Venis was not good , then placing the program against RAW was really too soon. Then making them tour the product live ...and well that move cost Dixie Carter the company 2+ years later.
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    in some "that sucks" news, due to travel issues caused by the typhoon, moxley had to vacate the US title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    in some "that sucks" news, due to travel issues caused by the typhoon, moxley had to vacate the US title.
    Why not just postpone the match?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUTHAIFA View Post
    Why not just postpone the match?
    It's tradition for New Japan to vacate the belt if the champ can't defend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1 View Post
    To me its about age range of the guys in the back in creative. When Cornette hit big his era was the 1970's/1980's. His era is the classic territory system type booking and building to big shows and angles. Its how things worked for years until the Monday Night Wars finally put the death nail into the territory system for good. I mean Cornette tried with Smokey Mountain a few years but that era had ended.

    The following guys tried to repeat things from eras and failed after success...


    - George Scott : Considered a genius booker in creative in the 1970's ; Scott once left Crockett in 1981 and was fetching offers all over the United States to book. One offer from Eddie Einhorn (Chicago White Sox minority owner) for a yearly salary of $250,000 to run his IWA promotion. Scott turned a lot down and would eventually take a role in WWF's expansion due to his friendship with Vince McMahon Sr.

    Its when Scott returned to WCW in 1989 by Turner to run things his golden touch was over. As Cornette claimed he'd sign guys like Iron Sheik who were years past their prime and didn't book well. He finally didn't sell a Clash of Champions card and Turner let him go months in.



    Bill Watts : The Cowboy was considered a revolutionary genius for his UWF. In fact the episodic TV of pro wrestling we see today is owed to Watts. His UWF created a number of stars like Junkyard Dog , Butch Reed , Ted Dibiase , Dr. Death Steve Williams and others. Sadly for what ruined Watts UWF was an oil crisis in mid-America destroyed the economy where the promotion ran and Watts had to sell.

    Turner executives thought Bill Watts would be a great signing. Even Jim Ross was happy to see the Cowboy return and felt he could right the course of the promotion. But within a short time Watts would piss a lot of the younger stars off , remove the mats around the ring to make guys look tough , banned moves off the top rope which killed the Cruiserweight division that was getting praise for Liger/Pillman matches and creating hell backstage. Also his big plan was to recreate the UWF type angles by having Ron Simmons become WCW World Champion.



    Vince Russo : Sometimes its the right time , place and age era of what is going on. Vince Russo was 35 when he got the job as head of creative on RAW. Russo was soon the sole writer with Ed Ferrera. Vince McMahon was his editor as we know. But Russo hit at the right time age wise as the material he used from that era and ECW Blueprint made the Attitude era hum. As Russo claims him and Ferrera would have a chalkboard listed of the whole night laid out creatively for every quarter hour of RAW. Vince McMahon would walk in and the goal they felt was to have a Monday Night where McMahon would want no changes. (The most he ever got him down to was 1 or 2...but that was the strong editor as we saw)

    In WCW , Russo never had that and soon failed. There was no one there to tell Russo to make changes ala McMahon and we soon saw what happens if Russo has no editor. TNA would make sure to not make this mistake with Russo and had Jarrett and Mantell as the editors over him.


    Eric Bischoff : In WCW , Bischoff was considered a genius with his Monday Night Nitro and creating the 90's wrestling boom period. Bischoff used a Japan angle and learned from Verne Gagne to give McMahon hell for 83 weeks. Raiding talent , giving results away , changing the show on the fly as he'd do backstage. Bischoff was really good at what he did in charge.

    Its just that this same act didn't work in TNA. Signing talent who were old 90's stars like Val Venis was not good , then placing the program against RAW was really too soon. Then making them tour the product live ...and well that move cost Dixie Carter the company 2+ years later.
    You left out Cornette's own almost universally reviled run in RoH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjowski View Post
    You left out Cornette's own almost universally reviled run in RoH.
    Why is ROH so bad now? I have been waiting years to see ROH on a weekly basis, and this is just a promotion going through the motions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUTHAIFA View Post
    Why is ROH so bad now? I have been waiting years to see ROH on a weekly basis, and this is just a promotion going through the motions.
    the popular theory?

    most of the big named stars are guys from other promotions who worked with them a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    the popular theory?

    most of the big named stars are guys from other promotions who worked with them a lot.
    Pretty much this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HUTHAIFA View Post
    Why is ROH so bad now? I have been waiting years to see ROH on a weekly basis, and this is just a promotion going through the motions.
    - There big name talent got poached but other promotions
    - delirious is still booking and he's just as bad as Cornette
    - there are no standouts on the current roster and is hugely bland. They made a guy like Matt Taven their champion for God sake.

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