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[BigLbo]

No reason for you or anyone else to feel too bad for Vince being sued over this non sense, because it'll almost certainly be tossed out everytime. The courts see this for what it is. At this point, this whole fiasco probably hurts the con man of a lawyer and the wrestlers involved more than Vince. It's karma, lIke you said. Everyone is getting what they deserve for their roles in all of this.

i don't feel bad for vince getting sued regardless of the outcome.

is anybody going to check out PROGRESS hello Wembley?? the card looks great

PROGRESS World Championship Match
WALTER (c) vs. Tyler Bate

PROGRESS Women’s Championship Match
Jinny (c) vs. Toni Storm vs. Millie McKenzie

PROGRESS Tag Team Championship Match (Two teams start, and a new team enter the match every two minutes. If a member of a team is pinned, submitted or disqualified, his team is eliminated. The last team standing wins).
Flamita & Bandido (c) vs. The 198 (Flash Morgan Webster & “Wild Boar” Mike Hitchman) vs. Grizzled Young Veterans (Zack Gibson & James Drake) vs. Aussie Open (Mark Davis & Kyle Fletcher) vs. The Calamari Thatch Kings (Chris Brookes & Timothy Thatcher) vs. The Anti Fun Police (Chief Deputy Dunne & Los Federales Santos Jr) vs. Connor Mills & Maverick Mayhew vs. Sexy Starr (Jack Sexsmith & David Starr)

PROGRESS Atlas Championship Match
Doug Williams (c) vs. Trent Seven (If Williams loses, he retires)

Pete Dunne vs. Ilja Dragunov

Matt Riddle vs. Mark Haskins

Tables, Ladders & Chairs Match
Mark Andrews vs. Eddie Dennis

No Disqualification Match
Jimmy Havoc vs. Paul Robinson

WALTER vs bate
dragunuv vs dunne
riddle vs haskins

are worth a buy, the crazy tag and doug williams retirement are nice bonus.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

SO turns out that the media has picked up on the lawsuit.....and is considering it nonsense for the most part...Yep no reason for vince to settle

Lets examine some of the mainstream media....


NBC News

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/...-judge-n911321

HARTFORD, Conn. — A federal judge in Connecticut has dismissed a lawsuit by 60 former professional wrestlers, many of them stars in the 1980s and 1990s, who claimed World Wrestling Entertainment failed to protect them from repeated head trauma including concussions that led to long-term brain damage.

U.S. District Judge Vanessa Bryant in Hartford threw out the lawsuit Monday, saying many of the claims were frivolous or filed after the statute of limitations expired. Stamford-based WWE denied the lawsuit’s allegations.

Bryant also criticized the wrestlers’ lawyer, Konstantine Kyros, based in Hingham, Massachusetts, for repeatedly failing to comply with court rules and orders and ordered him to pay WWE’s legal fees, which could total hundreds of thousands of dollars.


Kyros strongly disagreed with Bryant’s ruling and vowed to appeal to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York. He said the allegations were not frivolous and Bryant was wrong about the claims being filed too late, because many wrestlers’ ailments — including dementia and chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE — were diagnosed years after they left the ring or after they died.

“I stand for professional wrestlers who face the prospect of losing their identity and consciousness to the effects of a latent occupational disease that robs them of their sanity, comfort of their families and memories of everything they achieved entertaining the millions of people who love them,” Kyros wrote in an email to The Associated Press on Wednesday

Among the plaintiffs were Jimmy “Superfly” Snuka, Joseph “Road Warrior Animal” Laurinaitis, Paul “Mr. Wonderful” Orndorff, Chris “King Kong Bundy” Pallies and Harry Masayoshi Fujiwara, known as Mr. Fuji. Snuka and Fujiwara died in 2017 and 2016, respectively, and were diagnosed with CTE after their deaths, Kyros said. Other plaintiffs have dementia and other illnesses.
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Sports Illustrated ...


https://www.si.com/wrestling/2018/09...rmer-wrestlers


(It did not have the reply from Kyros)



SESCOOPS

https://www.sescoops.com/wwe-concuss...lan-to-appeal/


(Which had the reply from NBC News)



And Finally ...Law.com decided to bring up that Bryant as a judge is someone who FAILED earlier as a judge and got placed back by GW Bush . The article seemingly paints Kyros as a guy fighting a company for his clients.

https://www.law.com/americanlawyer/2...ring-kl-gates/

Typically, the trash talk takes place before the main event. But a dismissed suit accusing World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. of neglecting brain injuries has become an out-of-court “triple threat match,” to use the parlance of professional wrestling.
The triple threat contestants are a federal district court judge, plaintiffs lawyer Konstantine Kyros and K&L Gates litigation partner Jerry McDevitt, a longtime outside lawyer to the WWE.

In reality, the case is turning into something more like a two-on-one against Kyros, who this week was ordered for at least the second time to pay the WWE’s legal fees by U.S. District Judge Vanessa Bryant of the District of Connecticut. Bryant asked a magistrate judge Wednesday to review K&L Gates’ request of nearly $155,000 in legal fees it was awarded for work filing a motion for sanctions.
Despite that admonishment, Kyros has yet to let himself be counted out, promising to appeal Monday’s ruling tossing his 53-plaintiff-strong class action claim, as noted by affiliate publication the Connecticut Law Tribune.

In dismissing the suit, Bryant wrote that Kyros repeatedly made false allegations; brought claims that were time-barred; and failed to provide evidence that the WWE knew and hid the risk of brain injury from wrestlers like Joseph “Road Warrior Animal” Laurinaitis. Laurinaitis was the named plaintiff in the sixth and last remaining concussion suit against the WWE.

“Attorney Kyros’ decision to assert frivolous claims has required the court to waste considerable judicial resources sifting through three unreasonably long complaints filed in the Laurinaitis action, with the vague hope that some claim, buried within a mountain of extraneous information, might have merit,” Bryant wrote.

Kyros said in an interview Wednesday that he had never been part of a case that involved such vitriol between the parties. But he said he would appeal the ruling.

“This is by far the most rough-and-tumble lawsuit that anyone I know has ever been involved in,” said Kyros, whose law firm has offices outside Boston, in South Florida and Athens, Greece. “It’s not a normal scenario.”

He was less reserved in a post on his website directed toward his clients. Kyros attacked the decision as “flimsy,” “very poorly reasoned” and “bizarre.” The ruling, Kyros wrote, “is mostly a personal attack on your advocate and not on you!”

McDevitt said in an interview that Kyros ought to be disbarred for what the Pittsburgh-based litigator called “unethical” behavior in the case.

“People like that who bring the judge into disrepute just because they lost the case and were sanctioned because of their misconduct, I don’t think they do have a place in the bar,” McDevitt said. “His comments about the judge are wildly inappropriate and regrettable and he shouldn’t be doing it. He called her reasoning flimsy. [He] accused her of ignoring facts that there were murders and suicides. She didn’t do any such thing. That’s just rotten to do.”

Bryant found that most of the 53 ex-wrestlers’ tort claims were time-barred, as Connecticut law allows three years from the incident to bring a tort claim. No wrestler in the suit claimed an injury inside the ropes of a WWE ring since 2011. Some of the wrestlers’ alleged injuries, like those of the late Jimmy “Superfly” Snuka, occurred as early as or earlier than 1995.

Kyros said he would appeal that ruling, arguing that the time bar should not apply to chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), because it is a “latent occupational disease.”

“That argument is pled in the NFL case, the NHL [case] that’s pending and the NCAA case that was settled,” Kyros said. “This is not a novel theory.”

In addition to failing to plead relevant facts, Bryant said Kyros’ suit made a series of errors as portions of it appeared to be copied from a National Football League concussion case, down to using NFL players’ names and referencing the Pittsburgh Steelers. Kyros said these were mere “typographical errors.”

But Bryant wrote that after the defendants pointed out those errors in a motion for sanctions, Kyros took more than 21 days to file an amended complaint. Kyros said the second amended complaint that was dismissed this week did not contain those errors referred to in the ruling.

“The edifice on which the narrative of my supposed incompetence is built is inaccurate,” he said.

Jerry McDevitt
Following Monday’s order, McDevitt said the WWE currently faces no concussion-related suits. He said the company began to educate its wrestlers on the seriousness of brain injuries following a 2007 incident when retired WWE star Chris Benoit murdered his family and committed suicide.

“We educate the talent about the importance of reporting head injuries and not getting back into the ring until it’s resolved,” McDevitt said. Kyros’ “allegations of fraud were ones that pissed us off frankly, because they had no basis in fact and never did have basis in fact.”

McDevitt has represented the WWE and its CEO, Vince McMahon, for roughly 30 years. In that time, McDevitt said he has litigated on the Stamford, Connecticut-based company’s behalf against some of the best lawyers in the world, ranging from partners at Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz to federal prosecutors in New York.

“This guy stands alone,” McDevitt said in regard to Kyros. “I’ve never seen anybody that engages in the kind of conduct that he does.”

As for Bryant, this is not the first time she has been a controversial figure. The American Bar Association initially graded her as “not qualified” for her appointment to the federal bench in 2006, filing a report with biting criticism of her competence as a state judge. That failing grade, however, was reversed in 2007 when President George W. Bush nominated her again for the federal bench.

So your assumption the media is considering it nonsense is ...well those articles paint a middle ground basically. That the case continues and one painted the judge as likely having more issues than we realized.

[Miles To Go]

[XPac]

Lets examine some of the mainstream media....


NBC News

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/...-judge-n911321




Sports Illustrated ...


https://www.si.com/wrestling/2018/09...rmer-wrestlers


(It did not have the reply from Kyros)



SESCOOPS

https://www.sescoops.com/wwe-concuss...lan-to-appeal/


(Which had the reply from NBC News)



And Finally ...Law.com decided to bring up that Bryant as a judge is someone who FAILED earlier as a judge and got placed back by GW Bush . The article seemingly paints Kyros as a guy fighting a company for his clients.

https://www.law.com/americanlawyer/2...ring-kl-gates/




So your assumption the media is considering it nonsense is ...well those articles paint a middle ground basically. That the case continues and one painted the judge as likely having more issues than we realized.

The simple fact that the media is reporting that the suit is being dismissed again and again is the media telling us that it's without substance. If it had any merit whatsoever it would at least go to trial.

Not that I necessarily think he even wants to go to trial because he knows he would lose. I think he just hopes for a settlemwmt, which he won't get since the courts recognize this for what it is.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The simple fact that the media is reporting that the suit is being dismissed again and again is the media telling us that it's without substance. If it had any merit whatsoever it would at least go to trial.

Not that I necessarily think he even wants to go to trial because he knows he would lose. I think he just hopes for a settlemwmt, which he won't get since the courts recognize this for what it is.

The media is reporting what happened , they aren't weighing in on either side and reported both sides (except for the SI article). The mainstream media seem to be doing a middle ground deal. Reporting it was dismissed , yet the lawyer is vowing to appeal and challenge the ruling . Which is like ...well this is likely gonna continue.

Except the one site is reporting about the judges history .

[XPac]

The media is reporting what happened , they aren't weighing in on either side and reported both sides (except for the SI article). The mainstream media seem to be doing a middle ground deal. Reporting it was dismissed , yet the lawyer is vowing to appeal and challenge the ruling . Which is like ...well this is likely gonna continue.

Except the one site is reporting about the judges history .

Simply reporting what happens favors Vince, because the courts agree with him and recognize this fraudulent case for what it is.

Thats why no one is roasting Vince like some hoped they might. Because the courts have vindicated him time and time again. There's nothing to roast him over.

If we're at the point where they're needing to pay Vinces 6 figure legal bills for a case the courts clearly don't feel are even worth their time, one has to wonder whats the point after awhile. They're not getting money from Vince or even hurting him. At this point they are only wasting their own time and resources.

[steve2275]

from court to classic

[master of read]

and thus, after raw, the next "table for 3" will be....................3MB!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Simply reporting what happens favors Vince, because the courts agree with him and recognize this fraudulent case for what it is.

They are reporting what happened , they don't give a **** if the case is fraudulent or not. They report facts ...and did both sides.

Thats why no one is roasting Vince like some hoped they might. Because the courts have vindicated him time and time again. There's nothing to roast him over.

The articles isn't exactly vindicating him fully. They are saying the judge decreed statue of limitations was up (which the lawyer doesn't agree given the situation that came up later ala NFL players). I mean if this went to a jury and a jury found for Vince ala the steroid trial you could say TOTAL VINDICATION and go he WON. This didn't go far in this court.

If we're at the point where they're needing to pay Vinces 6 figure legal bills for a case the courts clearly don't feel are even worth their time, one has to wonder whats the point after awhile. They're not getting money from Vince or even hurting him. At this point they are only wasting their own time and resources.

Its the lawyer who has to pay that 6 figures. He is the one they want to pay.

[XPac]

They are reporting what happened , they don't give a **** if the case is fraudulent or not. They report facts ...and did both sides.



The articles isn't exactly vindicating him fully. They are saying the judge decreed statue of limitations was up (which the lawyer doesn't agree given the situation that came up later ala NFL players). I mean if this went to a jury and a jury found for Vince ala the steroid trial you could say TOTAL VINDICATION and go he WON. This didn't go far in this court.



Its the lawyer who has to pay that 6 figures. He is the one they want to pay.

It's generally the plantiff which has to pay, rather than the Plantiffs lawyer. They lawyer just represents them. But if the lawyer gets stuck with it, I'm certainly cool with that. That's who karma works.

If this lawyer really wanted to help these wrestlers, instead of sueing Vince he should have just given the wrestelrs the money he's giving to Vince's lawyers instead. At least they're getting something, as they're clearly not getting jack from Vince with a fraudulent lawsuit.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It's generally the plantiff which has to pay, rather than the Plantiffs lawyer. They lawyer just represents them. But if the lawyer gets stuck with it, I'm certainly cool with that. That's who karma works.

If this lawyer really wanted to help these wrestlers, instead of sueing Vince he should have just given the wrestelrs the money he's giving to Vince's lawyers instead. At least they're getting something, as they're clearly not getting jack from Vince with a fraudulent lawsuit.

Or instead of countless legal bills Vince has racked up , ya know...pay some of these folks and families as I posted weeks ago legends deals. Almost like royalties for having them be part of the streaming service.

Lets take Mr. Wonderful as an example. His son is now caring for him and Mr. Wonderful nearly lost his house. If he's suffering from CTE issues and struggling ...well yeah its why he should get something in his declining years so he can at least not have to do Go Fund Me's to save his home.

And before you and others chime in "Oh they brought it on themselves..." well every damn worker even today brings it on themselves once they get in that ring. They do it to make a living for families , they also do it for us and did for a generation. They laid the path down and its sad a lot of these guys get 10 bell salutes when they damn well die and fans will go RIP ...oh how great they were. Yet , when they clearly are around and need some help its .."Oh **** em.....they knew the risks..."

It really spooks me to what a lot of guys years from now will be today . Not everyone is gonna be AJ Styles or the Buck raking in tons of money. There are gonna be guys who years from now will show up wrecked to hell physically and I wonder if those fans will do the same ?

[XPac]

Or instead of countless legal bills Vince has racked up , ya know...pay some of these folks and families as I posted weeks ago legends deals. Almost like royalties for having them be part of the streaming service.

Lets take Mr. Wonderful as an example. His son is now caring for him and Mr. Wonderful nearly lost his house. If he's suffering from CTE issues and struggling ...well yeah its why he should get something in his declining years so he can at least not have to do Go Fund Me's to save his home.

And before you and others chime in "Oh they brought it on themselves..." well every damn worker even today brings it on themselves once they get in that ring. They do it to make a living for families , they also do it for us and did for a generation. They laid the path down and its sad a lot of these guys get 10 bell salutes when they damn well die and fans will go RIP ...oh how great they were. Yet , when they clearly are around and need some help its .."Oh **** em.....they knew the risks..."

It really spooks me to what a lot of guys years from now will be today . Not everyone is gonna be AJ Styles or the Buck raking in tons of money. There are gonna be guys who years from now will show up wrecked to hell physically and I wonder if those fans will do the same ?

I doubt Vince is sweating the countless legal fee's too much. If push comes to shove, Vince can outlast any of the people suing him as far as legal fee's go. He can afford multiple prolonged legal conflicts... at least to a greater degree than the people suing him. Espeically when they end up picking up Vinces legal tab for wasting all their time with a fraudulent lawsuit in the first place.

As far as wrestlers back then and today for that matter... you know what you are getting when you enter into the business. You KNOW for a fact you have to take care of your own insurance. You can be smart with your money and invest it wisely, minimize the risks you take with your body for at least a greater chance at longevity, or you can be stupid with your money and your body, HOPING down the line you'll get handouts from Vince or the fans.

If you want a job that offers health insurance and retirement benefits, don't become a professional wrestler. If you're not smart with your body and your money, this likely won't be an occupation which will help you in the long run. Because you can't expect a former exployer or your former fans to pay for your house for you. You should be able to pay for your own house just like everyone else has to. And your own medical bills.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I doubt Vince is sweating the countless legal fee's too much. If push comes to shove, Vince can outlast any of the people suing him as far as legal fee's go. He can afford multiple prolonged legal conflicts... at least to a greater degree than the people suing him. Espeically when they end up picking up Vinces legal tab for wasting all their time with a fraudulent lawsuit in the first place.

As far as wrestlers back then and today for that matter... you know what you are getting when you enter into the business. You KNOW for a fact you have to take care of your own insurance. You can be smart with your money and invest it wisely, minimize the risks you take with your body for at least a greater chance at longevity, or you can be stupid with your money and your body, HOPING down the line you'll get handouts from Vince or the fans.

If you want a job that offers health insurance and retirement benefits, don't become a professional wrestler. If you're not smart with your body and your money, this likely won't be an occupation which will help you in the long run. Because you can't expect a former exployer or your former fans to pay for your house for you. You should be able to pay for your own house just like everyone else has to. And your own medical bills.

Again if this was a unionized business , Vince would have to set up pensions and more for his workers like 90% of the business does with 401K and retirement etc . But its not. And the whole stance of "your on your own..." repeatedly is silly given that we have seen folks post RIP and how some have passed and how sad they act over when a wrestler dies . That they feel sad , sorry....here there is a chance people can say...why can't these guys get paid royalties and healthcare for what they gave ? To spend the final years they have ok.

It reminds me comically how fans felt when the families of Shuster and Siegal wanted bigger pieces of Superman and how comic fans were like **** THEM ! **** THEM ALL....Not realizing that DC for years did these folks shoddy til Neal Adams came along with others and that the character has earned billions of dollars. Somehow paying the families left more was a bridge too far .

[XPac]

Again if this was a unionized business , Vince would have to set up pensions and more for his workers like 90% of the business does with 401K and retirement etc . But its not. And the whole stance of "your on your own..." repeatedly is silly given that we have seen folks post RIP and how some have passed and how sad they act over when a wrestler dies . That they feel sad , sorry....here there is a chance people can say...why can't these guys get paid royalties and healthcare for what they gave ? To spend the final years they have ok.

It reminds me comically how fans felt when the families of Shuster and Siegal wanted bigger pieces of Superman and how comic fans were like **** THEM ! **** THEM ALL....Not realizing that DC for years did these folks shoddy til Neal Adams came along with others and that the character has earned billions of dollars. Somehow paying the families left more was a bridge too far .

But wrestling isn't unionized... it doesn't have pensions and retirement. If those are the things you want in a job the solution is very simple... DO SOMETHING ELSE. You can't control whether or not Vince decides to pay wrestlers insurance, but you can control whether or not you decide to work for Vince. If you decide to work for the WWE and contractually agree to handle your own insurance and medical bills, then that's on YOU. It's not like it was a secret that pro-wrestling doesn't offer any of that.

And sure plenty of people feel sad when wrestlers pass away... but that's a far cry from wrestlers expecting fans to pay their house payments for them. At the end of the day it's not Vinces responsibility or the fans responsibility to pay for their bills... it's their responsibility. There are plenty of wrestlers in the business, and not just the Hogans or the Rocks or the Cena's, who were able to manage their finances wisely and retire without rellying on GO FUND ME or fraudulent lawsuits to pay the bills. It can be done.

Don't get me wrong, if Vince or any fans WANT to help out that's cool. But there's a difference between that and pretending there's some existing obligation to do so.

[steve2275]

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